Conspiracy Theory: From Social Security to Club Gitmo – Guest Post

December 14, 2009 by admncc

Before we get started with this Guest Post, don’t forget to enter our contest for an American Express gift card.  All you need to do is comment on my last post to be entered.  Now for my normal Guest Post introduction…  Here at The Constant Complainer, in addition to my own posts, readers can submit Guest Posts on topics they’d like to complain about.  Neo Con Don is back with a rant about terrorists, trials and Guantanamo Bay.  And if politics isn’t your thing, that’s OK – it’s not mine either (I’ll be back tomorrow).  But for those of you looking forward to the debate; enjoy and without further adieu, here’s Don…

When I say conspiracy theorists, I’m not referring to the morons that think Obama is hiding his true birth, or the ones that think the federal gov’t planned 9/11.  Both ideas are absurd.  I’m referring to those who look at a situation or a pattern of behavior and visualize thing years down the road.  In the late 30’s there were groups of people who were against the social security act because they believed it would eventually affect every worker by stealing nearly 10% of their money to pay for a retirement of poverty.  They wanted a guarantee that the age requirement would rise as life expectancy rose so the income percentage that was taken out of every paycheck would stay very low (1 or 2 %) and few would ever need to cash in on the “old-age insurance” as it was described.  Today, it’s actually almost 13% of your income up to just over $100,000 that is taken leaving most people unable to save for a retirement that goes beyond the poverty check sent by the federal gov’t.  It seems that the conspiracy theorists who were against social security because they thought it would lead to too much dependence of the gov’t and determine elections were absolutely right.  So if the “conspiracy theorists” were correct about the intentions and results of social security, is it possible for them to be right about the future of our judicial system?  Let’s take a look.

Before John Adams became the second President of the United States, he was an accomplished lawyer.  He was one of our most important founders who showed the world that the colonies were ready to stand on their own because of their reverence to the rule of law.  In 1770, John Adams defended British troops for firing on Massachusetts colonists, and the troops were found “Not Guilty.”  This event is known as the Boston Massacre.  Americans believe, above all else, that we are a nation of laws, not a nation of men.

Today, conspiracy theorists believe that President Obama is going to stain the good works of John Adams and set a standard where if you do not agree with the administration, you will not have the rule of law on your side to protect you.  For those of you who were not told the truth about our gov’t and our founding documents, I’ll sum it up like this.  The Constitution is designed to protect you from the gov’t.  Our founders believed (correctly) that gov’t is evil and oppressive.  The Constitution keeps our governors from imposing tyranny.  The second amendment reminds them that if they become tyrants, we will defend our freedom and liberty.  Liberty can’t exist until the gov’t is afraid of the people.

So here we are today.  Obama is going to bring some of the Club Gitmo terrorists to New York to be tried in a Federal Court.  The conservatives who believe in the rule of law are very concerned because the terrorists will likely be afforded the discovery process, and agency secrets could become public.  Additionally, the terrorists were never read their Miranda rights upon their arrest, so another question arises…How can these people get a fair trial?  The Attorney General of the United States has assured us that the terrorists will receive a fair trial.  He also stated that if these terrorists are somehow found “not guilty,” or the case is thrown out because of process failure, that they will not be set free.  So, just looking at the rule of law, we must ask ourselves “how is that a fair trial?”  The bottom line is this…the terrorists should not be afforded constitutional rights because they are not citizens.  Military tribunals will work fine for them, they can be hanged, and we’ll call it a day….BUT, the conspiracy theorists believe it goes farther.

Just imagine that the terrorists swamp the system and are either found not guilty, get off on a technicality, or there is a hung jury (most likely)…the Attorney General promises they will not be set free.  Doesn’t this set a precedent?  Maybe.

Let’s imagine a few years from now the US has a tyrannical health care bill illegally requiring each citizen to purchase health insurance.  Additionally, suppose a cap and trade bill is also passed along with a bill requiring each American worker to join a union even if they don’t want to.  Odds are that when these things happen, portions of a state (or an entire state) will attempt to secede from the union.  The federal gov’t could then call the leaders of those movements “traitors”, and try them in the newly precedented federal court system where even if the “traitors” followed all constitutional protocol, they could still be imprisoned regardless of the constitutional protections they must be afforded.  In other words, if WE THE PEOPLE demand our gov’t follows the constitution and we call them on it when they don’t, we could be tried and held without due process…or the “new due process” being created by the Obama Administration. 

Does all of this sound crazy?  It sure does.  But let’s see how it sounds a year from now.  Don’t forget, a year ago, trying the mastermind of 9/11 in a federal court in New York was laughable.  Maybe, we are no longer a nation of laws, but a nation of men….that is the definition of tyranny.

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  1. I did read this Don. I’ll be back with some sort of a reply later. My right ear is killing me right now.

  2. Tristan says:

    What’s happening here is people are all too happy to take the first bite of the shit sandwich because they’re told it’s delicious. Why is it a conspiracy theory to tell someone it’s just a shit sandwich?

    But as you probably know, yesterday’s tin foil is today’s buried news article, and if you point that out in the future, you’ll still be disregarded as a nut. Happy trails.

  3. Tristan says:

    Good point, JB!

  4. Zig says:

    Chicken little err… I mean NCD, is the sky falling too? This is the biggest load of fiction I have ever read. What if Tony Soprano runs for president next go around? Does that mean we are a nation of Gangsters? What if your son is in a terrible car accident? Do you think err.. I mean your wife… will be able to even come close to being able to pay the doctor’s bills? Get a clue and join the rest of us in the real world, where frk accidents and other bad things happen to good people!

  5. Jane says:

    For what it’s worth, I don’t agree with the public New York trial in this case.

  6. TallElf says:

    If they do recieve a trial for a citizen, with the “New outcome” what was the point of the trial. I am not a political genius… by any stretch of the word, but NCD, and I know that Zig is going to tear this wide open, but at least you have provoked a few thoughts, and given us a break from the Perverted Golf Association that Mr. Woods has opened up.

    I also say that having a mandatory health insurance is a mixed bag of tricks. If there is a cap on the costs that Dr.’s can charge for their services, instead of 240$ for a mucus recovery device (read box of tissues people check your hospital bills), that may minimize our out of pocket expense as well.

    Zig the sky may be falling however at least now we have a forcast about as reliable as the weatherman.

  7. Brian says:

    I was a “conspiracy theorist” nutjob when I argued 3 months before 9/11 that it was a matter of “when” the US would be attacked by terrorists at home,….not “if”. I was a nutjob conspiracy theorist once again in 2000 when I suggested that some coworkers could earn some free Continuing education credits (CEU’s) from a 3 day course via satellite from the US Army for free. The course covered biological and chemical weapons and how to treat and deal with them medically. I was a kook back then. People asked me incredulously “When will we ever need to know that???”,…as they looked upon me as a fool. I am tiring of constantly fighting the unthinking masses and proving them wrong with just a little foresight, logic, and reason. When will people think rationally and logically, and look towards the future without myopic blindness??? …..That sounds like too much work…Let’s just let the “Smart” guys like Al Gore and Obama think for us…..

  8. NeoConDon says:

    C’mon Zig. According to Al Gore and all the other liars of the global warming scam, the sky IS falling. I’m more concerned about the truth. The truth is it looks like these same liars are causing our Republic to fail.

  9. Zig says:

    NCD, the only lies that have been told recently are the ones that almost led to The Great Depression II…LIES which were told by your banker buddies!

    Anyways…I thought we were having a spirited discussion about John Adams and how he doesn’t like Universal Healthcare!

    In the post, the pattern you take in arguing is to state some obscure facts and make people believe you know about what you talk. Then, you go into some totally unrelated topic and draw scarce paralells that aren’t there! U SUCK! I liked the hypotheticals and thought of a few more to ask you.

    Tallelf, don’t read my posts any more. Don’t talk to me or about me anymore either! The art in my reflections is wasted on you!

    Brian, yeah and I once sat in my bosses office, in NYC; World Trade Center 4, and asked him if he thought that a plane could hit WTC 1 and 2… He replied to me that the towers were built to withstand a plane’s collision…and that the coast guard would shoot them down before impact. Get a clue… You are not “fighting the unthinking masses and proving them wrong with just a little foresight, logic, and reason.” We, as a country, are fighting ambivilence, a take the easy route mentality and the “status quo” mindset. We all need to push through the unthinking masses of unfeeling, unaware attitudes with our CHANGE IS HERE mantra!

  10. NeoConDon says:

    Perhaps you’d like to come up with one thing in this column that I wrote that is either not true, or not possible….

    …and when you refer to my “banker buddies”, are you referring to all of the Wall Street Fat Cats that are in the Obama cabinet or serve as a Czar? Just looking for some clarity because I don’t do business with bankers.

  11. TallElf says:

    Zig, One persons art is another person’s trash. Either way, it is what it is.

    Conspiracy theorists at least get the ball rolling just like a hororscope tells you what is going to happen in the future, and they you will it to happen.

    Just my 1.5 cents.

  12. Zig says:

    NCD, the sun could also fall from the sky and land on your head…It’s possible, idiot! If your wife has a rod and balls, isn’t she your brother? Or, is she just a really good friend? In the last 2 statements, “come up with one thing in these statements that I wrote that is either not true, or not possible….” Your lies are just scare tactics and are distorting the truth and, in the process, hurting more people than they are helping!

    I was reffering to the repunklican, elitest mindset that your and your “BUDDIES” believe. Well, yours is a dilusional hope to one day be accepted into the rich man’s, good buddy, repunklican club, but you get he idea! Buddies/cohorts/buttpirates/Repunklican party members…they all one big group of deviants and logically cut from the same cloth to me! Therefore, I use the terms interchangably!

    Tallelf, good come back! Bravo… If you have to explain your metaphors, they shouldn’t be used in the first place, assmuncher! (Just my $1.50)

  13. NeoConDon says:

    …so for the record Zig, you cannot come up with one thing that I said is either not true or not possible. I just wanted to make that clear.

  14. Tristan says:

    “the only lies that have been told recently are the ones that almost led to The Great Depression II”

    Now I see how Bernanke managed to be named “Person of the Year” by TIME. He has joined the ranks of Nixon, Stalin, and Hitler, it seems. Congratulations, Ben.

    And don’t worry–the “almost” will be gone soon enough. The sky has been falling for nearly two years. No point in worrying about it now.

  15. Zig says:

    NCD, my point is that anything anyone says is somehow possible, idiot! Ok, let’s say your son grew a tail…would he be a monkey? Aren’t we all pretty much monkeys? It’s possible, right? Stop trying to influence people’s opinions through scare tactics and fear! Oh wait…the only thing you can do is tell people to fear change, because you are the status quo. If the status quo changes, you won’t be able to manipulate the system for your own gain… It’s time for change and I am glad we have a man in the White House who has enough manhood to stand up to the Establishment and tell them the time for change is HERE! Get a clue!

  16. Zig says:

    Tristan, didn’t the sky start faling because of Repunklican economic principles. I think it was called the trickle down theory? You are an IDIOT! Mind your own business, moron!

  17. NeoConDon says:

    Zig, Progressivism has caused the problems we’re in now. Obama is continuing on with the same plan that has been going on for years…here are my top ten predictions for 2010…

    1.A third party will materialize in 2010 and some will win congressional seats.
    2.The Republicans will not take back either chamber of congress in 2010.
    3.Democrats will retain control of both chambers, but will continue to not accomplish much of the Obama agenda because of a huge influx of new republicans and conservative independents.
    4.Glenn Beck will expose at least one more (maybe two) corrupt members of the Obama Administration and their resignations will follow.
    5.A healthcare bill that creates a gov’t insurance company or requires each citizen to purchase health insurance will not pass because it is unconstitutional.
    6.Al Gore will be in heated debates regarding the legitimacy of his Nobel Prize and Oscar, but it will not be reported by the media.
    7.An event will occur or will be discovered in 2010 that will make Obama the 3rd President in history to be impeached. His impeachment will likely occur in 2011 or 2012. He will not be removed from office.
    8.Harry Reid will lose his election.
    9.Hillary Clinton will not finish 2010 as the Secretary of State…perhaps replaced with Lieberman as an exchange for his vote for the health care bill.
    10.At least one state will formally threaten to secede from the union.

    Happy New Year!

  18. Hal says:

    Zig is the classic debater. Someone makes a good point and then he insults them. Tall Elf and Tristan had good points. And Tristan, you’ve been talking about the sky falling for quite a few posts. Zig just doesn’t want to hear or believe it.

  19. Tristan says:

    Zig’s insults are pretty good sometimes. As for the trickle down farce, while a lie, it is not the cause. The European Union is falling apart, Dubai is done, China, Japan…this is global. No one is gonna shrug this off. We’re looking at economic, political, and societal collapse here in the US and we are not any worse off than other developed nations. In spite of this, Hillary says we’ll be happy to contribute $100 BILLION A YEAR to the mythical battle against climate change. We might as well take responsibility for continental drift and fight earthquakes and volcanoes.

  20. Zig says:

    I was really enjoying the fictitious rants of NCD until I read this, “10. At least one state will formally threaten to secede from the union.” What state, in it’s right mind, would secede from our union over a Federally mandated benefit? Nice try, Dickhead! You are gonna have to come up with a better one than that… I would be willing to bet that any state that secedes from the union over this would lose the majority of it’s citizens.

    Face it, NCD, you are just trying to impress the rest of these morons, Tristan, who don’t know you! This time, you made 10 outrageous predictions about the future of our union. WHAT? You barely got out of college in 6 years. Now, you want me to believe you can predict the future… You really have nothing to lose by ending up looking like you have no credibility…on any issue. I have debunked every issue you have raised. So, what did you do? Well, you created your own future/reality!

    And what about this, “4.Glenn Beck will expose at least one more (maybe two) corrupt members of the Obama Administration and their resignations will follow.”? Glenn Beck is a big self-important blowhard who doesn’t even know politics… Because you brought your hero, Glenn Beck, into the conversation, I will call you on this one… What has Glenn Beck ever done to earn my respect as a credible radio journalist or a Conservative political hack?

    Each one of your predictions are meant to make people fear the future and the coming Healthcare reform! Just because you have the luxury of never leaving your house. You have no idea of what is going on in the real world. Heathcare reform will pass and everyone in this country will wonder what took Washington so long to figure this one out! Your only window to the outside world is through your radio, which, apparently, is tuned to WTAM and both Glenn Pecker and Rushina Limbaugh, daily. Get a clue. You are really causing me to question your sanity and the safety of your wife and children! Oh yeah, tell Jen I will call her and catch her up on how a real man operates between the sheets and show her a Man’s unit soon. Tell her I will shake the BOOTY CALL TREE at our usual time, when you go to bed, ASSSHOLE!

  21. NeoConDon says:

    Wow, Zig…spoken like a typical liberal…

  22. Zig says:

    NCD, Good comeback! How long did it take you to come up with that response? Did you hurt yourself using the depth of your brain power and wit?

  23. Zig says:

    Obama could only give hardworking Federal employees a %2 pay raise this year (it was %3.9 in the last year of the Bush administrations rein of terror), because W. depleted the kitty of available cash by giving all his BIG MONEY contributors a tax cut they didn’t need!

  24. NeoConDon says:

    An Obama Christmas Poem for all of you…

    ‘Twas the night before elections
    And all through the town
    Tempers were flaring
    Emotions all up and down!

    I, in my bathrobe
    With a cat in my lap
    Had cut off the TV
    Tired of political crap.

    When all of a sudden
    There arose such a noise
    I peered out of my window
    Saw Obama and his boys

    They had come for my wallet
    They wanted my pay
    To give to the others
    Who had not worked a day!

    He snatched up my money
    And quick as a wink
    Jumped back on his bandwagon
    As I gagged from the stink

    He then rallied his henchmen
    Who were pulling his cart
    I could tell they were out
    To tear my country apart!

    ‘ On Fannie, on Freddie,
    On Biden and Ayers!
    On Acorn, On Pelosi’
    He screamed at the pairs!

    They took off for his cause
    And as he flew out of sight
    I heard him laugh at the nation
    Who wouldn’t stand up and fight!

    So I leave you to think
    On this one final note-

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