Cruelty Part III: Contempt – Guest Post

November 8, 2009 by admncc

Here at The Constant Complainer, in addition to my own posts, readers can submit Guest Posts on topics they’d like to complain about.  Neo Con Don is back today with another Guest Post.  Feel free to join Don on his journey through his stages of cruelty.  Or if debating politics isn’t your thing, we’ll be back tomorrow with more non-political material.  We have two other Guest Posts slated for this week.  One is regarding our local utility companies and another is regarding the current holiday season.  So without further adieu, here’s Don…

In the first two parts of this series, I discussed the cruelty of the minimum wage and the slavery associated with gov’t encouraged debt, and how these programs that are supposedly designed to help the little guy when they actually push him down on the ground.  Today, I’m going to discuss the 3rd part of the liberal circle of cruelty: contempt.  The contempt coming from the liberals toward the little guy is the action of kicking him when he’s down, and the libs do a lot of it.

Liberals and progressives premise everything they do with ‘helping the little guy.’  While I believe the average ignorant liberal voter believes they are helping the little guy, there’s no question in my mind that the liberal and progressive elitists like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the community organizer-in-chief (Barack Obama) are more interested in assuming power and taking control of the lives of the American people.  After all, that’s what socialism and fascism does.  All anyone has to do is look at Social Security to realize that liberals have no interest in helping anyone.  Social Security has transformed into a system where we spend our entire life paying 12.4% of our income (half from our employer) so we can retire into poverty.  If we want to avoid poverty, we need to save an additional 15% AFTER the gov’t has taken our money from us.  We also do not have a choice.  If we are self-employed, we need to make quarterly payments to the IRS, and we can be jailed for refusing to pay.  Hmmm….I wonder what will happen if the gov’t forces people to buy health insurance or pay a fine.

Taken by itself, the elitist attitude the liberals have toward ‘the little guy’ should be enough to show their lies, but for some reason they just keep coming.  On April 15th and again on September 12th, groups of the average little guy organized tea parties around the country.  On September 12th, a massive tea party was held in Washington D.C., where the estimated attendance was somewhere between ten thousand attendees and over ONE MILLION attendees.  Their complaint?  Gov’t intrusion into their privacy and anticipation of massive tax increases because of Cap and Trade and National Health care Insurance. The attendees?  Well according to the liberal elite they were a bunch of grumpy old goats, dumb rednecks, and our nation’s poor that don’t know any better.  I would suggest that it was a million plus meeting of ‘the little guy.’  There were teachers, police and fire fighters, soldiers, union workers, small business owners, doctors, lawyers, laid off workers, and workers that called in sick.  They were white, black, liberal, conservative, and everywhere in between. They came from every state in the union, and seven of the states King Barry made up during his campaign. Based on the photos of the events of the day, this is one of the largest demonstrations in our nation’s history, and the President claims he didn’t know what was happening, and still hasn’t addressed or acknowledged the protest.  Apparently either his contempt for ‘the little guy’ far outreaches his concern for them.  Liberal and progressive elitists in the media and the gov’t have referred to them as “tea-baggers”, a slam on gay people.

The contempt for ‘the little guy’ coming out of the White House and the elite media is going to be the story of our time.  When history is written on this era and the trying times that are soon to come, our success or failure will be traced back to this moment; the moment when the president ignored the million man march of September 12, 2009.  Imagine where we would be as a nation had we ignored the Million Man March of 1963.  Obama likely would never have been elected President.   In May 2010, a group of moms will gather in Washington for the Million Mom March to protest the gov’t encroachment on the rights of parents.  If Obama decides to ignore them, he will not be re-elected.

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Comments

  1. Gina says:

    I’m a conservative who hates the out of control spending that’s taking place in this administration. However, I respectfully disagree with NeoConDon on other points.

    Social Security is meant to be a safety net from poverty, not the sole income for those who wish to maintain the same lifestyle they had while working. Being about 20 years from retirement, my husband and I have taken it as a sad fact that we won’t be able to count on our full Social Security by the time we retire. Our generation and the generations after us will pay in far more than we will ever get back. In that respect, we should have the right to opt out. But we don’t have this option because the system is built so that one generation supports another. We won’t have enough young workers to support the large Baby Boomer retirees so we consider it a tax to pay for other’s retirements.

    Medicare is a great benefit for seniors and should be made available to everyone. NeoConDon may disagree, but I don’t believe this administration is threatening to take away basic medical care from seniors. Seniors are too powerful a lobby to allow that to happen. I think it’s trying to give basic health care to all.

    As someone with health insurance but a high deductible, we are still paying off the thousands of dollars in co-pays incurred during a life-threatening illness. When my husband was laid off, we couldn’t afford the $1500/month COBRA payment so we prayed hard that our kids wouldn’t get sick until he found another job. There are many families with inadequate or zero health insurance.

    Many are arguing that the government should “stay out of Medicare” when the government IS Medicare.

    Government SHOULD listen and to the “little guy”. But there seems to be a disconnect on who the “little guy” really is. With entitlement program protests, the real argument seems to be “Give me everything even if others have nothing.”

  2. Hal says:

    I don’t agree with all of the spending going on, but there is one part of the stimulus that I do agree with. And it supports one of Gina’s points too.

    If an employee involuntary loses their job now, a portion of their COBRA rates can be subsidized by the federal government.

    The advantage to COBRA is that it allows you to continue your health insurance. The disadvantage is that it can be costly. So I do agree with how this part has been handled.

  3. NeoConDon says:

    http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/lawmakers-detail-obamas-pitch/

    Here’s more proof of how much the president hates people…In this article, His Royal Highness, King Barry the Great refers to those who are against his policies as anti-gov’t teabagging extremists. Here’s a question….If I’m anti-gov’t, doesn’t that make Obama anti-constitution?

    Don’t get lost in the BS on ancillary issues like Cobra laws…the health “care” bill has nothing to do with health or care.

  4. Tristan says:

    Gina, let me add to Don’s post a bit by addressing your views of Social Security and Medicare. While I won’t argue against your view of what they should be, what they are and what you want them to be are both not possible.

    You acknowledge that you can’t count on the full amount in 20 years. The truth is that you can’t count on any amount in 20 years. It is an unsustainable system. In order to meet current requirements for the future, we would need over $50 trillion in a trust fund TODAY. We have $0, and with every passing day, that $50+ trillion requirement grows higher. There is no way we will ever be able to meet these future obligations, just as there is no way we will every pay off our ~$10 trillion national debt without devaluing the USD more than we have with the past three decades of inflation.

    Of course, that little trick has already been tried with Social Security and Medicare obligations, too, which is why you notice that it isn’t enough to live on. Don’t think for a minute that it is the same today as it was for the G.I. generation! CPI has been manipulated time and again to decrease benefits due to today’s seniors. People paid into this system their entire lives and are now being denied their return because the “trust fund” was raided to pay for bloated, unnecessary government programs. Seniors may seem like a powerful lobby, but they’ll be pressed into the dirt with the rest of us if they can’t pay their own way.

    It always sounds good to help the elderly and the children, but when reality sets in, we realize what a farce our greatness is, and we see that we don’t have the resources to provide for individuals who no longer contribute anything meaningful to society, you’ll be amazed at how quickly our attitudes change. I’ll take care of my parents and grandparents, you’ll have to take care of yours. People need to stop arguing about the way things should be and start discussing the way things will be whether we want it or not.

  5. Gina says:

    Thanks for the reply, Tristan. I’m interested in hearing more about your opinion.

    I’ve always been under the impression that people are just getting what they paid in. Last year, Social Security benefit checks increased 5.8 percent – the largest increase since 1982…a huge increase when one considers the fact that the Consumer Price Index has dropped due to the recession and falling prices, benefit payments are keeping pace well above inflation and recent reports state that seniors have been the LEAST affected by the recession and have the greatest net worth of any demographic in the US.

    It’s a sad fact but the government has already proven that those who pay into SS have no ownership rights to any benefits. In 1960 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the case of Flemming v. Nestor that Social Security benefits were not contractual in nature. The government can bestow the benefits on whomever it chooses, without regard to how much, if anything, that individual may have paid into the system.

    In 1937, Ida May Fuller, the first SS recipient, paid in a total of $24.75 and received a total of $22,888.92 over her lifetime. In 1937, there were 25 workers for every SS recipient. Now there are
    3 for each SS recipient.

    You say that “people paid into this system their entire lives and are now being denied their return,” but they’re actually getting MORE in total dollars than they paid in. In a report from the National Institute on Aging, RAND economists Constantijn W. A. Panis and Lee A. Lillard report that those who older retirees earn a much better return on their contributions than the newly retired, thanks to low payroll tax rates during the program’s startup phase and amendments in the 1970s that increased benefits. There are also large differences in rates of return within birth cohorts (groups born in particular years) purposely built into the system to ensure disproportionate benefits to elderly individuals who, because of low incomes or above-average life spans, are more needy than others.

    The system isn’t a quid pro quo repayment of what someone paid in over their working years. The whole system needs an overhaul because it’s no longer serving its original purpose of being safety net against extreme poverty. It’s unsustainable as is. My argument is that no one wants to be the one to sacrifice.

  6. NeoConDon says:

    Social Security was designed as a scheme for the rich to pay a tax that no one was ever intended to receive. The failure with social security is that it became a retirement program. You were supposed to die before you ever received any money. The way to “fix” it is to either get rid of it and tell everyone “sorry”, or to increase the receiving age to 5 years beyond life expectancy…But to steal nearly 13% of everyone’s income and hand them the equivalency of poverty in return is liberal cruelty at its core.

  7. Dan says:

    Nobody should be sitting at home expecting Social Security to be there when they retire. Because most likely, it’s not going to be there.

  8. Tristan says:

    No doubt seniors today are raking in more “total dollars” than they paid in their working years. Even by the BS numbers of the BLS, $100 in 1969 is nearly $600 today. The point is that fundamental things like housing and energy are not included in the CPI and ground beef can be substituted for steak. There is no accounting for standard of living in there, which no doubt helped the Clinton administration push those surpluses in the booming bubble 90s.

    The 5.8% increase in benefits may be quite a bit higher than the official inflation statistic, but I doubt that there is any increase in standard of living. If there is, it won’t be for long. The dollar has been dropping steadily for the past year (as we pretend there is a stock market rally…hmmm). Though real estate got a bit cheaper, it didn’t return to realistic values and food has been on the climb. Energy will be next, I bet, and I won’t be surprised to see gas surpass the highs of a few years ago when oil hit $150/barrel.

    We’re on the same page with older retirees getting more than they paid in, but I think we’ve passed the peak there and we are heading downhill quickly in that regard. And you hit the nail on the head in saying no one wants to sacrifice, but they will. They will or the choice will be made for them. I hope they know when to let go.

  9. NeoConDon says:

    This is such a timely column from Professor Williams on liberal contempt for the Constitution. When politicians trample on the Constitution, they are killing the little guy…

    http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2009/11/11/a_minority_view_constitutional_contempt

  10. Hal says:

    “But to steal nearly 13% of everyone’s income and hand them the equivalency of poverty in return is liberal cruelty at its core.”

    NCD, I think you are painting Social Security with a broad brush. The conservatives have also allowed it to fester into the mess it currently is.

  11. NeoConDon says:

    …wrong Hal..the liberals have done that. Don’t confuse the republicans with conservatives because there’s a BIG difference.

  12. Mike N says:

    Hmmm, let me get a few things straight here.

    1. Social Security is evil and it’s all the liberals fault.
    2. It was never meant to be a retirement plan, but a tax implied on the rich.
    3. Liberals suck and Conservatives rule.

    So… why haven’t Conservatives done anything to put a stop to Social Security?

    I’m so sick and tired of this back and forth crap. It’s the conservatives fault…NO it’s the Liberals fault… You’re wrong, NO you’re wrong… All I know is that I’ve been paying social security since I was 16, and not once has a conservative president stepped up and relieved me of this tax. And how do you know what FDR intended Social Security to be? Um, YOU DON’T.

    But hey, let’s go ahead and say Obama sucks, after all the guy’s had a whole 11 months as president. That’s more than enough time to fix the shit storm Bush left us.

    If you’re so smart Don, run for office. Try and change something rather than sitting on your lazy ass and complaining. You certainly can’t count on my vote. I’ve known you’re absolutely nuts from the moment you first typed a response on this site. I place blame on the fact that I tend to be a “Douche-bag-magnet”.

    Oh yeah… blah blah blah, get a job, blah blah blah, you suck, blah blah blah.

  13. NeoConDon says:

    Libby…

    The progressives from FDR’s era wanted social security to become exactly what it is…guaranteed poverty at old age. If FDR were alive today, he’d be happy to know that his evil plan worked. The “published” original intent was for it to serve as a safety net for the few people that lived beyond the age of receivership, and it was a very small tax on the wealthy. There has been only one conservative President since SSI began, but there were too many liberals to try to get rid of it because of the political implications, and he was too busy causing the crumble of the Communist empire. But, once a gov’t program begins, it never goes away until the gov’t no longer exists. That’s what makes the fight against socialist health “care” so important. It will be the downfall of the nation and will cause states to declare independence. Its defeat will preserve the country for a few more years, but eventually, the cruelty of Presidents Wilson, FDR, LBJ, W, and BHO will be too much to bear.

  14. Dan says:

    Mike N., that was a great rant.

    We’ve both been on here long enough to know that NCD simply hears stuff from Rush and repeats it.

    No originality and no supporting argument.

    His response will be calling you a name probably.

  15. NeoConDon says:

    I didn’t know you listen to Rush Dan…perhaps you could find one thing I’ve said an prove it wrong…??? Didn’t think so. And it’s Libby that does the name calling. I just use factual nicknames…”Lyin’ Linear Libby” fits him well. He simply can’t dispute the facts I present and calls people D-bags.

  16. Dan says:

    I don’t make a habit of listening to Rush needless to say. I can get it right here anyway.

  17. Tristan says:

    I thought Gina and I had a good discussion going… Everyone likes to jump on Don for his harping on “liberals” all the time, but doing so ends up being even more empty than his finger pointing comments were in the first place.

    There’s no point in worrying about whether or not Social Security is evil, let’s just call it what it is. It’s a fraud. It’s a tax sold to the American people as a retirement trust fund. It’s a lie. We don’t need to divide things into good and evil, we just need to know the truth. The truth is that this has been a lie for a very long time and no one has done anything about it. It was obvious 40 years ago that it wasn’t going to work out, yet here it is. The only good news is that it is now the least of our problems.

  18. NeoConDon says:

    Great Dan…if you don’t listen to Rush, how can you say I’m simply repeating him…???

    And Tristan, all I’m saying is that after everything collapses, those of us that are going to rebuild need to understand the political and philosophcial ideas that caused the failure. If the founders are as close to modern conservative thought as it comes, and their ideas worked well until around the time of the progressive invasion that began with Wilson, isn’t it safe to say that we need to avoid the liberal progressive ideas? Don’t we need to realize that the League of Nations and now the UN are the world order that is spreading the cruelties of fascism, socialism, and communism while at the same time supporting today’s tyrannical dictatorships? In order to prevent the catastrophies of yesterday, we need to ask ourselves if these systems are merely frauds and failures, or are they in fact a malicious and evil attempt to control the lives of the everyday citizen. Obama’s health “care” plan is certainly the latter. It has nothing to do with HC, and everything to do with controlling our lives and spreading a war of the classes. With nearly 100 years of progressive failures, there comes a point when you have to conclude that they are doing all of this on purpose with malicious intent.

  19. Mike N says:

    Don,
    When have you ever stated a single fact on here? It’s all opinion, and a crazy one at that. You somehow expect me to believe that there has only been one President since Social Security was created that had the mindset to get rid of it, but didn’t have the time to? Didn’t you say something about how Conservatism works everytime??? But how can you even say that when, according to you, we’ve only had one Conservative President in the last 60+ years? It sounds to me like you’ve only liked one President in the last century… and he was senile for his last term.

    You’re just like all the other morons. You are very capable at pointing out what’s wrong with this country, but you offer up no solution. Start offering up some actual solutions and maybe I wouldn’t think you’re such an ass.

    And for the record, try seeing Social Security from the point of view of a retiree. Let’s say this retiree has worked their whole life, paid into Social Security, and now receives the benefits on top of their other retirement plan. They’re living comfortably, as they should in their retirement. Or, perhaps they worked their whole life, but were never able to have enough extra money for a retirement plan so they depend solely on their Social Security income. It’s probably not enough, and they might have to get a part time job at Walmart, but their life is still better for it.

    You see, the problem with you Don, is that you are unable to view things from anyone’s POV other than your own. I’ve said that before. You think everyone should be as well off and set up as you are. BS! The world needs ditch diggers too. Some people have to scrape by every day to provide for a family. You don’t know anything about that. THAT’S A FACT. You’ve never had to sacrifice electricity so that your kids could eat. But that doesn’t stop you from having a blow-hard opinion on the topic. That’s why I don’t like you. You’re nothing but hot air and methane and I see you for who you really are.

    When have you ever known hardship?

  20. Zig says:

    Mike, NCD is literally born from and still is WHITE TRASH! He claims to hate “the poor,” but he is the poor. He hates himself for not being born better off/luckier. He gains all his opinions from the media (FOX news) and the freaky books he reads all day. Because, he has no JOB. He has not come upon any of the opinions he espouses through his life experience. ALL his opinions are from RUSH, HANNITY or any of the other conservative hacks one may hear on the idiot box!

    I refuse to read ANYTHING NCD writes. EVERYTHING he writes is a waste of my time and my computer’s memory. I don’t read his posts. I skip them.

    Well, Gina, what’s up? We are all paying the SS and Medicare tax… Cry me a river! You may claim to be a conservative, but I don’t believe that real conservatives complian as much as you do. A serious conservative would take action to stop this out of control situation of your’s… Bite the bullet, pay up and propose a solution or shut up!

    Until there is a national plan for insurance, like the one Obama is proposing, no one is safe from the tyranny Gina faced and is facing! It’s not NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE it’s NATIONALIZED HEALTHINSURANCE, idiots!

  21. NeoConDon says:

    Zig,

    The moment that His Royal Highness, King Barry the Great signs a law that requires a citizen to purchase health insurance or go to jail is the instant we are no longer a republic, we are a dictatorship where neither the people, or our elected representatives have any control. The Constitution was created to give the gov’t permission to do a small number of very specific things. SSI and Medicare are unconstitutional, but Obama”care” is tyrannical. Revolutions and wars have been fought over lesser circumstances. As the economy continues to tank and falls into depression, states will declare independence and it is likely the US gov’t will be removed…that includes your cushy union “job” where you can do whatever you want and still get paid.

  22. Zig says:

    Well well well… NCD, you are a chicken little idiot! I assume the sky is also falling, right? Government Insurance will get us out of this mess your buddy GWB and the rest of his pseudo conservative buddies created. SSI and Medicare are part of what a moral Democracy does…it takes care of it’s most at need citizens! You don’t pay enough in Medicare or SSI taxes for it to matter anyway. Don’t we already force people to buy car insurance or go to jail? You don’t want to get into a car accident with an uninsured motorist. Similarly, you don’t want to pay the medical costs of an uninsured mother of 4, do you? I don’t see you or people like you running for the door…why? You talk from your asshole, in that, you don’t think about what you say effects other’s and what’s coming out of your mouth is fowl!

    The economy is technically out of recession, 3.5 growth rate last quarter. Can’t use the, “As the economy continues to tank and falls into depression, states will declare independence and it is likely the US gov’t will be removed…that includes your cushy union “job” where you can do whatever you want and still get paid.” I work hard for my bi-weekly paycheck. You should try it..HARD WORK!

    As for your comment, “Revolutions and wars have been fought over lesser circumstances.” I say GO FOR IT, Chicken Little!

  23. NeoConDon says:

    …sorry zig, we do NOT force people to by car insurance.

    The federal gov’t does not have the constitutional authority to require anyone to purchase health insurance. Just imagine what our prisons would be like…we’ll have the murder wing, the rape wing, and the wing for the people who didn’t buy health insurance.

  24. Tristan says:

    I hear you Don, but you’re describing Libertarianism more than what is now Conservatism. There have been no Conservative presidents because Conservative no longer means what you want it to mean. It was hijacked by the Republican party and you aren’t going to get that stain off of it. I just don’t think it makes sense to cling to a tag like that because it diminishes the truth by affiliation alone.

    You have a good point about the point of view of the elderly, Mike, but there is another point of view you need to see yourself. That view is that it doesn’t matter what is good or right, but what is possible. As the middle class is destroyed, we won’t be talking about old retirees having to sell their golf clubs or great-grandmothers losing the “freedom” of a motorized wheelchair, we’ll be talking about young women and children struggling to have enough to eat in a given day. The elderly will have a choice, to accept a life well lived and take the risk of death associated with old age with honor, or to dig their claws into their children and grand children and demand that medications and medical procedures be continued at any cost until the inevitable comes. Chances are good that the demands of the elderly will not be heeded, regardless, so I hope they choose the honorable path.

    Zig, if Ben Bernanke, Tim Geithner, or Barack Obama told you that tiger sharks were cuddly and playful, you’d probably jump into the tank. If you have $100, I devalue it by 50%, and then I give you $50 more, have you made a 50% profit? No, even though you’ve gone from $100 to $150, you’ve lost 25%. That is what is happening. The dollar is devaluing as fast as the stock market is rallying and the only reason we’re seeing investment is because big banks are getting money for nothing (0% interest).

    What is funny is that if you or I try to get a loan, we don’t see anything close to that rate. A credit score over 750 won’t save you from seeing 30% interest on a credit card (in good standing!). You call that “out of recession?” Why do we need $8,000 home buyer credits to prop up housing prices? Pull that and every house is devalued by $8,000. Why do we need “Cash For Clunkers” to pull forward future demand for automobiles? It makes it look like Government Motors isn’t failing, but take a look at what happened to demand after that program ended. Why do we need 0% interest at the federal level? To fund the carry trade, of course. Borrow USD, use it to invest in something that will appreciate in value faster than that borrowed debt (usually foreign currencies or interests), and profit!

    All of this has the net effect of making it look like we’re doing great in the short term. Just wait until it the sky comes down again, it will be something to see. It’s really gonna hit people when gas is $6+/gallon. Too bad we were so easily appeased last time.

  25. NeoConDon says:

    …Thanks Tristan. Perhaps a better word for conservative is “constitutionalist.

  26. Otis II says:

    Don, you are smart. You are brilliant. This is the best post I’ve ever read.

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