Conspiracy Theories: Eminent Domain by Default? – Guest Post
July 29, 2009 by admncc
I don’t often make more than more than one post in a day, but we were lucky enough to have two Guest Posts today. So please make sure, in addition to this one, that you read Christa Bledsoe’s Guest Post, which was posted at lunchtime. Now – love him or hate him, Neo Con Don is back! His complaint is eminent domain. Enjoy and without further adieu, here’s Don…
“…; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” You have just read the final words of the 5th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. The Supreme Court has held that the federal and state governments have the authority to seize real property under eminent domain as long as there is just compensation. In the case of the federal gov’t, the public use must correspond with congress’ enumerated powers.
I don’t know if this is true or possible, but with the right angle, a person could contend that the federal gov’t is positioning itself to begin land grabbing through intimidation and greed…all while making it look like we’re helping people and the environment. Sound crazy? Let’s take a look at it.
During the 4 presidential terms that were made up of Clinton and Bush 43, the federal gov’t added incredible regulations to the mortgage industry through FHA, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that lowered the income requirements and loan to value ratios on home buyers and mortgage lenders. These reckless regulations have led to the bursting of the housing bubble, and the current economic recession (and future depression). What these administrations did was expand the federal gov’t under the feel-good theories of liberalism and progressivism. What really happened is what always happens when liberalism and progressivism are implemented…cruelty, failure, job loss, and despair.
As jobs continue to disappear, more and more houses are being lost to foreclosure. Many of them were mortgaged with loans insured by the federal gov’t. Guess who really owns that property now? President Obama has been beating up the banks for doing what the progressives in the gov’t made them do, and the banks have simply stopped lending and are paying back the TARP funds. President Obama has set up a system that will allow those who have fallen behind in their mortgage to refinance up to 110% of the value of the home. Unfortunately, most of the people who need to refinance need much more because their loans were already financed at 125% of the value several years ago, and the property values have plummeted.
So, the federal gov’t is NOT doing what it said it would do by adjusting mortgages so people can get back on their feet. The gov’t now finds itself the owners of countless properties in dilapidated urban areas, and there is word now that these old neighborhoods may be bulldozed down to build parks, or be allowed to be rebuilt by cities and states after they purchase them.
While I don’t disagree that destroying the former crack house neighborhoods and rebuilding the inter-cities is a good idea, the methods the gov’t used to get there are concerning. The FEDERAL gov’t will own this property. The states will be on the leash of the feds.
Until recently, there was very little talk of a back door conspiracy of the federal gov’t to grab land from private citizens in order to control the states. However, under the biggest political lie ever told, (global warming and man-made climate change,) the feds are attempting to do exactly that. The global warming bill just passed by the House will require private citizens that wish to sell their homes to have it “energy efficient.” I am moving to a new house and I’ll be renting my house out because it just isn’t sellable. If I had to make it energy efficient to the standard of the global warming liars, I would need to drop over $10,000 into it for windows and insulation. So when I think about those in the inner city that are struggling to make the payments on their home just so they can sell it, this legislation destroys the lower middle class, and will force many more homes into foreclosure….and the gov’t will own them….then they can sell the property to developers that will pay more taxes than the owners of the homes that used to be on them. Those same homeowners were the ones that were promised help by the current administration in Washington. All of this regulation, and the states, counties and cities have no say in it at all.
While this may be a far out conspiracy theory created by a crack pot in a mold infested and energy inefficient basement, there is only one thing left for the progressives in Washington to say or do that will make me right. If they can control the lending practices, and the foreclosure practices, they will try to control the credit rating practices. When the gov’t begins forgiving loans and saying that it will not affect a persons credit history, we have reached a level of tyranny unimagined in this country…and we’re only one step away from it. The Obama Administration is looking into a loan forgiveness program where a home owner that falls behind on his mortgage could forfeit ownership and become a renter. The federal gov’t will become a land lord. Is anyone paying attention?
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Politcal, blah, blah, political. Sorry NCD. Just not my cup of tea. But what I will say is this. The most interesting ED issues I have seen always involve the schools.
Just a quick note here, because I’m too tired to tell Don exactly why he’s an idiot. I’ll come back tomorrow for that.
Who forced anyone to get these loans which caused the housing bubble? Did the President or banks stick a freaking gun to peoples heads and make them borrow money? NO!
Your Government conspiracy theory is null and void. Try again!
Get a job, pay some taxes, and stop riding your wife’s coat tails… Then and only then can you open your mouth. Maybe by then some of your BS will have tapered off and the crap you spew out won’t stink as much.
Don’t worry, Jane. Someone will come to the rescue of you and your family if you don’t have any interest in it yourself. Dismissing party cheerleaders is one thing. Suggesting that government is no concern of yours is quite another.
I wouldn’t say the theory here is null and void. Predatory lending does not require force. Find someone who isn’t doing well financially (that would include the middle class as we know it) and make them an offer they can’t refuse. Personally, I’m on the fence as to whether this is conspiracy or idiocy, but in light of current events, conspiracy looks better and better. Government and the MSM are willfully-blind and then say things like, “We didn’t see this coming.” Well, that’s easy to do when you turn your head the other way.
The motive is obviously there. Look at the whole “Click It or Ticket” scheme. There you have state laws being demanded by federal authorities. Pass the law or lose your funding for roads. In a word, extortion. Extortion by the federal government to control legislation at the state level. Call it “white collar” crime if you want, but what is worth noting is that it doesn’t take a gun to the head to accomplish the same.
They appear to be focusing on seizing our healthcare instead of our homes, don’t they gentlemen?
Yes, well they’re going to take a vacation first and then seize our health care, now that they realize they don’t have to hide the power grabs anymore. You don’t say, “and what are you gonna do about it?” to the end of a rifle, but now that they have demonized the Second Amendment, they can do whatever they want and all we are going to do is bicker amongst ourselves.
I think the progressive movement is creating slaves. First they dumb everyone down with lies in the schools like not describing communism and socialism as being immoral and cruel. Then they remove the mention of God, and introduce new religions like environmentalism and darwinism. Those two religions are force fed into every subject; not just science, but math, language, history, and the arts.
During the slave days, it was a crime to teach a slave to read and write. They kept them dumb. This is the same thing.
Now, the progressives are going after the only things left that make us free…our property, our health, and the right to defend ourselves from tyranny.
Progressives don’t care which one they take first, and they’re very patient. FDR began his cruel power grab in the early 30’s. King Barry is trying to orchestrate the next power grab. I HOPE HE FAILS.
“Yes, well they’re going to take a vacation first and then seize our health care.” What? Tristan, you are an idiot! Tell me how they’re going to seize your health care? Better yet, tell me how any of this healthcare mess will effect you? You have a job. You have insurance. How does it effect you? If healthcare costs continue to rise, as they have been, NCD will have no healthcare! Nobody will have or be able to afford adequate healthcare… Don’t make blind accusations about “powergrabs of healthcare” without backing them up! Get a life of yourown and get out of NCD’s asshole!
“During the slave days, it was a crime to teach a slave to read and write. They kept them dumb. This is the same thing.” This statement makes you, NCD, a biggot! To equate the modern public school system to “Slavery” clearly shows you have no idea about either and shows that you are truely an uneducated BIGGOT! I have no time to explain the differences to you. Figure this…how is your newfound love of the Catholic Church leading you to believe in flying fairies and virgin births…Now who looks like a stupid sheep being led to slaughter? I HOPE YOU WAKEUP, idiot!
NCD, I think your a little paranoid, lol.
NCD is probably sitting at home whining, like Rush and Beck are. HEY NCD. “Get off my phone.”
@Mike N I just about fell out of my chair when I read your first line.
Wow, Zig…you sound like the parrot for ACORN. You’re wrong when you tell Tristan that his healthcare serice will not chnage after a gov’t takeover, but that doesn’t really matter. I’m still trying to figure out why the tyrant in the whitehouse, and his little toadies in congress thinks they have the authortiy to take over the private healthcare and insurance industry. There’s not a single suggestion in the constitution about this…yet they continue to try to do it regardless of the overwhelming lack of support by the american people.
We’ve already given the federal gov’t our education rights, our financial institutions, and our auto industry. We’re on the path to give them our property rights and healthcare. What’s next?
NCD, you are totally misinformed and should not put forward all THESE LIES IN SUCH A PUBLIC FORUM. But, that is the repunklican party’s way. Repunlicans are the party of LIES and SCARE TACTICS when they can’t get their way! They a like little children that way! Obama only proposed creating a Government run insurance company/agency to keep the private sector healthcare insurance providers honest. That is the SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM of which you speak. Good try. No NATIONALIZATION of healthcare here.
As for Acorn…THE COMMUNITY in which we all live needs major CHANGE! The purpose of a true democracy is to take care of all it’s citizens…not just it’s weathy (and in your case the wanna be wealthy)citizens! Healthcare is a basic human right!
Tell me how your wife’s state supplemented healthcare will change? It won’t! You and your family are already covered by government run Healthcare… It doesn’t matter if it’s STATE run, COUNTY run, LOCALLY run or FEDERALLY run! It’s all run by government and they all have the same goal, to keep order! Your scare tactics wil totally blow up in your face! PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN’T THROW STONES! You and your wife will go along and pump more debt into an aleady bloated state budget, by having 4 more kids you can’t afford on your wife’s salary, once Obama’s plan is a REALITY! I say BLESS you. We all love kids. This fact illustrates my point well. Liberals, who can, pay for their blessings! Conseravtives who can, use the system in place to get all they can (as many blessings as they can) for themselves from the sysytem! It is these greedy, bottom sucking, rable rousing, no new tax wanting repunklicans (like yourself) who are ruining AMERICA! GOD BLESS AMERICA and GOD BLESS ALL CHILDREN!
Zig, you are the one that is misinformed. My wife is a public employee, but her insurance comes from a private insurer..just like you, just like congress, and just like His Royal Highness, King Barry the Great. The plan the cruel progressives are promoting is a gov’t takover of the healthcare system. It is pure communism with all the cruel bells and whistles attached. The american people do not want a gov’t run healtcare. If this passes, he will certainly be impeached for being a communist….he’s already a fascist.
p.s….I’m not a republican, I’m a conservative. BIG difference.
Calm down and think this through, Zig.
There are some 50 million uninsured people in the U.S. The goal is to provide coverage for them. Adding those 50 million adds about 15-20% to the current number of insured people. This means we’ll need a 15-20% increase in funding, which in turn means my employer will be paying 15-20% more, and that will be taken directly out of my paycheck. If you think government is going to make health care 15-20% more efficient (or better), please cite an example of government ever doing anything with that result. You can start your research with AmTrak.
Health care is not a basic human right. It is your right to run your body to hell, it is not your right that everyone else pay to fix it. In case anyone forgot, all men are created equal and our unalienable rights are include life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Not health care. That you have to earn.
As for local vs state vs federal government, it absolutely matters which one we’re talking here. Local government is within easy reach if you don’t like what they’re doing. Federal is completely-detached. That’s how they get away with power grab after power grab that would never hold at the local level. They misrepresent us entirely and are arrogant in the fact that there’s nothing we can do about it. Fortunately for people like me, that attitude won’t last much longer.
Your point about NDC having four more kids sums it up nicely (ignoring whether or not he could actually afford that, since the presumption, true or false, is that he cannot). This program is going to do nothing but allow for more and more irresponsible behavior. More waste, more corruption, and more cost to responsible citizens. As I’ve said over and over and as no one seems to be able to understand with any clarity, there is no such thing as a free lunch.
I think of it like this…
King Barry says he’s going to add a gov’t option to the table. Since gov’t makes the rules, prints the money, can force people into the system that don’t want it, and doesn’t need to make a profit, how is that anything but a gov’t take over. The gov’t will easily run the private insurance industry out of business. Second, King Barry is going to demand that EVERYONE is insured under what he calls a “qualified” plan…If the gov’t is determining what a qualified plan is and isn’t, how is this anything but a gov’t takeover?
The federal gov’t has stolen the education system from us and has made it a failure. They have made social security a failure, and medicare will fail soon. Why would anyone believe that getting the gov’t involved is a good idea when all the gov’t has done is failed miserably except for winning wars and changing lightbulbs in the street lamps? I’m excited for King Barry’s continued glorious failure.
NCD, Hypothetical: If I pay $100, and the Gov. pays $400 from each paycheck for my “Private Insurance”…why is the name of my insurance carrier the “Mail Handler’s” Benefit Plan? And, who is really paying the the majority of the premium? Doesn’t the premium buy the coverage? How is that anything other than “Government run heathcare?” It may be through a “Private” carrier, as you say, but is my insurance company really in it to cheat their customers or are they in it to provide a service. Hence, the term “Qualified.” If my wife were to have another kid and my “Private” insurance were to pay for every last dime (prenatal through postnatal), would they be in it for the money or to provide a public service, “Qualified?” YOU are NUTS!
The “Progressive” plan of which you speak (and aparently agree with me on) is to let the “Private” sector provide insurance plans to “everyone” in this country. You are correct! How is that a “Government” takeover? As you state, the “Public” sector is included. I want a single payer system, but that will never happen as long as we have right wing nuts, like you, (who believe everything they have they earned) in this country! Wake up! Get a clue, idiot!
In order to be included as a “Qualified” plan and, therefore, make money a plan can’t limit access because of a pre-existing condition, provide for screening and pay for help in avoiding the disease all together. That sounds pretty radical to me…(me rolling my eyes)!
Zig, you are entirely incorrect. The intention of the tyrant in the Whitehouse and his little fascist toadies in congress is to control the health care system of the U.S., and be the administrator and provider in a single payer system. They plan to run the private insurance industry out of business and take control of our lives. There is not a single place on this planet where a system like this has ever worked…ever. Add the fact that gov’t has failed at education, medicare/medicaid, social security and disabiltiy, and you have a nightmare. Why in the world would anyone want to put their health in the hands of the federal gov’t? This is the event that will lead to a new revolution in the concept of state rights, and states will declare themselves independent and leaving the union. The federal gov’t does not have any business or authority to do what they’re doing. King Barry is a tyrant, and I hope he fails.
First of all, you are incorrect! I am perfetly satisfied with my Government sponsored “Healthcare.” Oh that’s right. Your actions tell me you are satisfied with your wife’s “Government sponsored healthcare” as well. You were so satisfied with it, your wife’s “Government sponsored healthcare,” that you decided to leave to workforce and depend entirely on you wife’s “Government sponsored healthcare” for your well being. NCD, get your head out of your ass! It works.
Please explain how, “Add the fact that gov’t has failed at education, medicare/medicaid, social security and disabiltiy, and you have a nightmare.” You make these sweeping conservative sounding noises, but you don’t give any supporting details! The people on social security love getting checks eevry month… The people on Medicare/Medicaid love the low cost insurance it provides… What is a “disabiliy?” What do you know about “disabiliy?” I assume you mean disability and I know that you are mistaken. It is not the current government that ruined disability. It is the damn conservative movement that bastardized those who cannot do for themselves!
You really need to come up for air when you get on one of your “The whole world is against me” rants. YOU are fat, happy and stupid. You just need somethng about which to complain. Get out in the real world and get a JOB!
Nowhere in the OBAMA plan does it say the Government will make healthcare decisions. It does say that the goal is to provide “private sector” insurance for every American. Don’t put words in his mouth, idiot!
Sorry Zig, but people may let the tyrant in the Whitehouse get away with all the lies, but I won’t let you get away with them. My wife does not have gov’t sponsored healthcare. The fascist, AKA His Royal Highness King Barry the Great, (I believe you refer to him as the president)IS trying to have the gov’t take over the entire health care system. They do not plan on having a private option…health care in the U.S. will become as bad as it is in Canada, the UK, France, and every other socialist/communist nation. Pelosi, Reid, and Barney Frank have all said that their intention is to take over the system. It is unconstitutional, and they do not have the authority or the support of the American people.
The United States has the best healthcare system on the planet, and the tyrant wants to send us to the dark ages of the 1930’s eastern europe. He is a tyrant, and he will lose this battle.
p.s. You should read the plan the house has proposed. The gov’t WILL make healthcare decisions and will determine who will get what. That’s what gov’t healthcare is all about. I don’t have to put words in his mouth…the fascist tyrant and his little toadies are doing it for me.