Over My Head
February 11, 2009 by admncc
Welcome to the award winning blog of The Constant Complainer. I just have a moment to write tonight, so this post will be a little shorter than usual…
I’ll be the first to admit that I’m no financial genius. That’s why my running joke to everyone during this depression has been to just print more money or give every taxpaying citizen an extra $75k. You know – something like that. Give everyone money and trends would show you that they would spend it instead of saving it. My answer to the national debt is just to print more money. Of course I realize that the economy doesn’t work that way. Or does it?
Is it me or isn’t that exactly what the stimulus package is doing? I’m sure it’s more complicated than that. But is sure doesn’t seem like it! Did my good-natured joke show that I simply don’t understand the fundamentals of our economy or did I just solve our economic crisis? I’m sure someone out there can explain it to me…
Also, have any of you seen the movie “Jumper” that came out last year? I had the opportunity to watch it while I donated platelets tonight. You can view the trailer here. Here’s what I thought – an action movie starring Hayden Christensen, Samuel L. Jackson and Diane Lane – can’t go wrong. Boy, was I ever wrong. All I have to say is this – can I please have the last 90 minutes of my life back!
Anyone that knows me knows that I love to talk up good movies on this site. But in 34 years on this earth, this movie was one of the top three worst I have ever seen. It makes me wonder what a movie executive is thinking when he/she decides to spend $85M on a film like this. Do me a favor – just don’t see it and I’ll have done my duty in mentioning it here…
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Whatever can’t be borrowed will be printed. When you add up all of the borrowing that countries around the world will need to do, there isn’t enough money in existence, so we will simply print it. That causes inflation.
This bill probably isn’t the one that will put us into a depression. It will likely be the next one or two that are in response to this one not producing any results. History always repeats itself.
Here’s a good column by an economist at George Mason.
http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2009/02/11/the_hell_with_our_constitution
BTW, Mr. CC…did you donate or sell your platelets?
My hubby and I saw a fantastic movie last weekend: ‘Slumdog Millionaire’. It was a little sad at times, but overall, it’s been the best movie that we’ve seen in 2009 so far.
Check it out: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3820413?fr=yvmtf
Although we are in a depression here in Canada as well, we don’t receive any kind of stimulus package here. And yes, I think your right, if people are given the money. They will probably spend it more than they would save it.
I donated them. Always do. Last night they took platelets, red blood cells and plasma. I believe it’s called a “triple” or something like that. My good deed for the week.
All I know is that the government can’t just start printing more money. Well, I guess they could, but it isn’t a good idea. The more money that is printed, the less valuable it is. Let’s say that they do start printing more money, and all of a sudden I’ve got $30,000 in my wallet…but the loaf of bread at the grocery store now costs $300. It’s all about inflation, and in the long run printing money doesn’t help anything. I’ll admit that I don’t really think borrowing the money helps in the long run either.
What I understand is that the President has people working for him that know much more about economics than me… Some of us on this blog fail to realize that.
Linear Libby,
You must be referring to the Treasury Secretary. According to His Royal Highness, King Barry, he’s the only person on the planet that has the intelligence to fix this economic problem, but is too stupid to know that he has to pay income and payroll taxes on a 1099 (even though he received quarterly notices to do so.) This administration makes GWB look like Einstein on steroids….and they are printing money because we’re having trouble buying it. Prepare yourselves.
I’m going to go see slum-dog millionaire. Hopefully this weekend.
having trouble borrowing it, not buying it….
sorry, I’m multi-tasking…
I also want to comment on the gov’t handing out a bunch of money instead of the spending bill. You mentioned 75K, but it could be 5K, or 10K…It’s still very possible that they might try something like this in a year or two since it made GWB very popular when he sent out his 3 stimulus checks.
Anyway, I’m not going to spend mine on new products, I’m going to buy collectable gold coins. Since history is bound to repeat itself, it might be the best way to protect your assets on the other side of the likely depression. In 1933, FDR forced Americans to trade in their gold for paper money, and made it a crime to retain more than $100 worth of gold (punishable by fines and jail.) But, collectable gold coins were untouchable by the gov’t. FDR announce that we’d be leaving the gold standard a week later. Collectible gold coins…!!!
Slumdog Millionaire is a great movie. Even you’ll like it Don, maybe.
Everyone thinks they know what they’re talking about, but I guarantee that the Secretary of the Treasury knows more about economics than you do Don.
He may know more than I do since I study more history than economics, but he’s a liar and a cheater, and there’s no way I can believe King Barry when he says that this stupid liar and cheater is the only person capable of handling this crisis. I personally know more people that are more qualified…based on what we know about him, he’s very unqualified since he can’t read a simple tax document and he’s the head of the treasury and the IRS. I certainly know more about taxes than this stupid liar and cheater does. If GWB would have put up this level of incompetence, liars, and cheaters, the libs would be going nuts…
So not only are you schizophrenic, but now you’re also delusional.
Linear Libby,
Perhaps you might take the money from the refund for your “education” after you sue your “educators” and purchase a real education. Maybe then you could actually learn how to read, comprehend, and engage in a debate in a thoughtful and intelligent manner.
You may know the words, but you are certainly not capable of engaging in a debate, being thoughtful, or being intelligent. And you are most definitely not capable of doing all three at once. I’ll tell you one thing that you are capable of though, perhaps more so than anyone else I know or will ever know. That one thing is beating a dead horse.
I would argue against the supreme knowledge of Geithner. The first half of the bailout, which was handled by Paulson, was largely deemed a failure because recipients used it to hand out massive bonuses and buy $35,000 toilets. The money that they had leftover from the shopping spree went to increase reserves rather than increase lending. Bad banking processes have not been fixed. No markets have been stimulated. Yet Geithner is now going full speed ahead with the same plan.
The problem with trusting those who “know more about economics than you do” is that there is very little that anyone knows with certainty. Those running the show are devoted to an ideology that has failed. Rather than admit this failure, they push ahead with that ideology. Admitting that it failed would, for many, be admitting that their life’s work was a sham.
The argument against handing out checks to everyone, supported by the evidence gathered from Bush’s stimulus check plan, is that people will not spend money unless they have confidence in the system. The vast majority of that money went to pay off consumer debt, and in a debt-based system like ours, that doesn’t stimulate anything. The system relies on more and more debt in order to give the impression of constant growth and prosperity. Take that away and the markets realize what is really happening and adjust (deflate) accordingly.
Consider this: The livelihood of banks is based on interest payments. If debt goes down, interest payments go down, and then the banks themselves are in trouble. At that point, banks because more conservative and won’t lend money because they need to protect themselves. Now businesses can’t get loans to invest in their development or make payroll and they have to layoff workers. Those workers now have no money to spend and can’t get loans, so other businesses are in turn hurt. If those workers can’t afford debt, they go bankrupt. It’s a vicious cycle. Fixing it means a whole lot of pain for creditors or a whole lot of pain for debtors, neither of which is possible politically.
Numbers are certainly important in economics, but more important are emotions and sociology. It’s very complicated, but if you just think about “what happens next” with any idea that is proposed to fix the problem, you can get an idea of whether or not it’s likely to work.
Careful, Tristan. If you engage in a conversation where you actually question, call out, or give examples of the mistakes being made by His Highness King Barry (or his staff), Linear Libby will call you delusional. I look at it like this…If O.J. Simpson were the most qualified to address the economy, wouldn’t his background automatically knock him out of the running? I wouldn’t care if Geitner actually was the best for the job, the fact that he doesn’t have the knowledge to pay his taxes, and then only pays after he’s nominated is, in my opinion, a deal breaker. His character is shot…he shouldn’t be running the IRS.
Sometimes the best man to fix something is the man who knows how to break it, but I don’t think that applies in this case, unless he’s trying to prove that he knows how to break it…
Elections have consequences. Had McCain won, he likely would have put together something similar (because he’s a liberal too.) I’m willing to tough out a recession or a depression in lieu of advancing the socialist agenda. I have faith in myself, my family, and in the American people. His Highness, King Barry does not…He’s a Marxist; he only has faith in gov’t.
I actually have no problem questioning our government policies. It’s a freedom we have and I do enjoy it. I call people delusional when they constantly fling BS at the wall, hoping something will stick. Tristan made some good points, while not sounding like a complete jerk. Maybe you should take some lessons from him. You’re a bull-headed conservative jerk, that’s why I don’t like talking politics with you. That’s just how you engage in conversation, so be it.
Linear Libby,
Perhaps you might be a little more specific when you say “B.S.” Otherwise you sound like a good little mind numbed closed minded lib…just like the rest of them.
You have never talked politics with me…so far, you have proven that you’re incapable in engaging in the debate because you don’t provide any backbone to your counter points. Calling things B.S., or delusional, and not specifying them or even quantifying them proves your low cognitive ability.
Don,
When something smells like crap, looks like crap, and in your case sounds like crap…well then it’s probably crap. I don’t need very strong counter points or quantifying evidence to prove that it’s crap. It’s obviously just crap. And let’s face facts here, you’re full of it.
You feel the need to turn every discussion into a political one because you feel you can bully people into thinking you know what you’re talking about. However deep down you’re just either making some BS up or reciting verbatim what Rush said on the radio. You can’t think for yourself and therefore need to adhere to the conservative’s guide for dummies.
You fit the conservative mold perfectly, I’ll give you that credit. Conservatives don’t change, can’t change, and are unwilling to even think about change. Liberals on the other hand are capable of changing their minds and thinking for oneself. I’m happy to be middle of the road so that I don’t have to adhere to one train of thought. I can go back and forth between sides on different issues and I don’t have to worry about what my conservative and liberal friends might think.
Don I have a friend from college who is just like you. He and I do not ever talk politics. If we did, we’d hate one another. It’s not that he’s wrong, or that you’re never right, it’s how you present your argument in an arrogant, asinine, and bull-headed manner. You lack the ability to compromise, as most conservatives do. When you get backed into a corner and people question your BS, all you have left to resort to is beating a dead horse with repetitive liberal smack. When you’re really desperate, conservatives bring up past liberal Presidents and the mistakes they made…trying to forget all about how GWB flushed our prosperity down the toilet.
blah blah blah….not going to answer the question. Name one specific bit of B.S. in this string…you can’t. So you do what good little mind numbed libs do, and call points B.S. when they slam you. Name one. And the reason I bring up liberalism is because it is/has destroyed this country. You can bash GWB all you want, and when it comes to economics, I’ll agree with you. He’s a liberal, and made liberal mistakes. He’ll go down in history as a president that won two wars and screwed up the economy…like FDR.
Anyway, name one…
CK – thank you for visiting my blog and the compliment. Ive read only but a few posts on your blog, and enjoy them. I too will visit again.
Can you help me understand the PD connection? I have not seen the reference to my blog by the PD and would appreciate if you could help me locate it.
Your fellow blogger,
A.
You want me to name one…
1. “And the reason I bring up liberalism is because it is/has destroyed this country.”
See, you can’t post one paragraph without flinging some BS.
1. The New Deal.
2. Social Security
3. The Great Society
There’s three, although most would argue that SS was the most important part of The New Deal. Conservative economists say the “concept” of the new deal is problematic in the first place because of the socialist ideology and laziness it brought to the work place, and the SS component is the engine of the vehicle…it will bankrupt the country while at the same time spreads poverty to individuals. It’s the same politics as usual for King Barry…doing the same thing that didn’t work in the 30’s. You’d think he’d try something new instead of being so closed minded and repeating the same thing that has never worked over the past 100 years. It’s like libs live in the dark ages.
However, you’re bringing something up that I said AFTER you made the claim that I spew B.S. and I’m delusional. Why don’t you try to back up a claim from this string…once again, you can’t because there’s nothing B.S. or delusional about anything I said. You just don’t have the ability to make an argument. You probably think the New Deal was a good thing.
Don,
The three things you listed here as support for how liberalism has destroyed this country is BS. Haha, it’s so easy for me to call you out on BS that I can do it with every sentence you type. I don’t need to look back at your history of posts when there’s fresh BS material in front of me.
I seem to remember our country doing very well and prospering after the The New Deal and Social Security. Those were put in place in the 40’s right? Hmm, hasn’t the US been a global superpower since then…until recently anyway? You can’t say those ruined this country because clearly they haven’t. You only think so because you’re an idiot.
As for the Great Society plan…
The programs that didn’t work under this plan were removed. Only the programs that worked stuck around. I’m sorry that you think education funding and medicare are bad things. I don’t. Maybe you’ve never had an older sick family member who’s only coverage came from medicare, but I have. Now you’re just a pompous jerk, who once again is unable to consider life in someone elses shoes. Not to mention that the Great Society plan was put in place during an economic upswing, not a depression. You are delusional, I can make an argument, and YES I DO THINK THE NEW DEAL WAS A GOOD THING! FDR was a great President. It was 60 years ago, let it go dude.
Next you’ll be saying that Lincoln’s assassination completely ruined this country. Even though I’m quite positive that The United States has endured and prospered since his death…Just like we’ve endured and prospered since the New Deal, Social Security, and The Great Society plan. I would say that people like you may have ruined this country, because of the political party you belong to, but that’s not really true either. We need both sides to question each other. Plus it’s not your fault you’re stupid, I blame your parents.
I also was using the term “Remember” loosely because I obviously don’t remember it. I wasn’t alive. What I should have said was that history shows our country prospered.
You really need a refund on your “education”
The New Deal was put in place in the 30’s, not the 40’s, by a socialist with a communist in the VP seat..(facts are stubborn things, especially for libs like you), and the New Deal made the depression continue on for at least 7 additional years. Not a good thing at all, and SS & Medicare is bankrupting our nation while forcing our senior citizens into poverty…It created a disasterous entitlement society and mentality, and that is on perfect display everytime King Obama does one of his townhalls.
Medicare is not a good thing because there’s no choice there. But since the libs are anti-choice, that makes sense. It’s also run by idiotic gov’t “workers.” That guarantees certain failure.
Since the Great Society, our education system has been falling further behind compared to the rest of the world. It wasn’t until “No Child…” that we’ve seen some slight upswings, but that is likely that we have lowered our thresholds for what we consider “passing.” Additionally, the entitlement portions of TGS has further eroded the work ethic in America and has forced more and more poverty onto subsequent generations.
EVERYTHING King Barry and President Pelosi are doing have been done before and have failed. Socialism has never worked…ever. I can’t understand why the libs refuse to open their minds up and do the things have have ALWAYS worked, instead of the things that have NEVER worked. I guess if you can give away houses, food, and money that were stolen from the working class, the entitlement class will continue to elect you. All you need to do is keep them in poverty and they’ll love you!
HAHA, I stopped reading at “No child”. Talk to any teacher moron, they’ll tell you the “No child left behind” plan DID NOT WORK. It’s worthless, like you.
How do you know the New Deal kept the depression going for another 7 years? Do you have a Delorean time machine that allowed you to see what it would have been like if the New Deal hadn’t happened? All you do is throw out useless possibilities and what-ifs with the ignorant notion that they’re facts. This is a prime example of your BS slinging ability.
And I already told you, don’t question my intelligence because I’m sure it’s far better than yours. Deal with it.
I know a lot of teachers, and the one’s that aren’t union pawns that actually work for a living like most of NCLB…
You need to try reading, because the old way of teaching how great the commies were is outdated.
“Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal. It was Mussolini’s success in Italy, with his government-directed economy, that led the early New Dealers to say “But Mussolini keeps the trains running on time.” – Ronald Reagan
The more I think about this whole mess, the more interesting it is. I haven’t paid federal income taxes, SS tax, or medicare tax in 4 years. My wife hasn’t paid SS taxes for 9 years, or federal income tax for 3 years. The only federal taxes we’ve paid (except for the buried taxes) has been medicare.
If you’re a fan of No Child Left Behind, then you clearly don’t see how easy it is for children to suffer under it.
Why haven’t you paid on those taxes the last 4 years?
I didn’t say I was a fan on NCLB…I just said that since it’s inception, the numbers are slightly better, and I know a number of teachers that do not dislike it. It’s still a liberal piece of B.S. that wastes money.
I saved up a bunch of cash several years ago, so now I stay at home with my kids, so I don’t have taxes to pay. My wife is a teacher, and the only payroll taxes they pay are medicare. Thanks to President Bush’s tax cuts, my family is exempt from paying federal income tax. We still pay all of the hidden taxes, but I’m part of the 45% of the U.S. that does not pay federal income taxes. When the Bush tax cuts expire, that will change.
Well we agree that the NCLB plan is a piece of BS.
what else do you expect from wasteful liberal spending?
Social Security and Medicare, while helpful to the elderly today, are not sustainable. That is the problem with them, removing any political opinions. As a nation we would need $50 trillion today in order to sustain them, and this number grows larger every day (in spite of efforts by government to manipulate cost-of-living adjustments to short suit the elderly). As a nation, we have -$11 trillion and are looking at multi-trillion-dollar deficits in the years to come.
As much as we’re hearing about Ponzi schemes today with crooks like Madoff, the irony is that Social Security and Medicare themselves are massive Ponzi schemes integrated into our tax system. This is another example of how we leverage the future livelihood of our children for our benefit today.
The New Deal itself likely did extend The Great Depression, but at the same time some of its policies prevented those at the bottom, and there were many, from slipping any further. Not to say whether or not it was taken too far at the time, but aspects of it were necessary to ease the pain. The depression may have been a good deal shorter without it, but many more people would not have made it out. The New Deal did stimulate the economy from 1933 to 1937, but it was short-term stimulus and consequently led to the second fall which continued more or less until WWII forced us to tighten our belts further and really get things moving again.
I am not personally a fan of socialism, but there are times when it is unavoidable (if not necessary) in order for society to as a whole to cope with dire circumstances. The important thing is that it is removed over time to avoid the problems that Don describes. Most implementations of it, however, are like Social Security and are not sustainable (and should not be sustained) forever.
The big problem I have with social security is that it’s forced on me. When I’m wokring, just over 13% of my income MUST be paid. Not having the choice to “opt out” is pure theft in an unsustainable ponzi scheme. When this stuff is done on the street, it’s illegal, when the gov’t does it, it’s mandatory. This is exactly what will happen with King Barry’s socialist healthcare plan. We will be forced into it, prices will skyrocket. We’ll be forced to travel to Dubai for the healthcare that the gov’t will refuse to provide because of its inability to manage anything…not to mention their social re-engineering plans so thoughtfully put in place by the latest communist-spending bill.
Mike, NCD is not and does not fit the stereotypical image of a conservative. NCD just wishes to one day have money, in the future, and one day be accepted into the good buddy club which is conservative politics. Conservatives don’t like change. Typically, conservatives have earned a bunch of money under the status quo…and have learned to keep their money safe under the status quo. That explains conservatives’ resistance to change. NCD is neither rich nor going to be rich. NCD just likes to think that he may one day be accepted in to the good buddy network that has shunned him and his kind for so long…
NCD just likes to think, play pretend, he has money and tries to pretend what he would do if he had a large sum of money. Our nation can’t afford to treat the national budget like a family budget… NCD, get a clue! You have no money. You never will have enough money to be accepted it to the GB club. Start acting like the bottom feeder you are! Your conseravtive politics are not helping your family! They may be helping you feel better, but, in the long run, your family will suffer because of your dreamer mentality!
Social Security is a noble creation. It promised to take money from current workers and pay for retirees costs. It is a ponzi sceme. It has to be. my children’s generation will pay for my retirement costs just like I paid for my parents generation’s retirement costs. The thought is pure. Only the problem comes when future generations decided to have fewer and fewer kids to support previous generation’s costs. I say it’s all ruined. Don’t fear. Our Government will figure out something. If it comes in higher taxes or different taxes, don’t get all concerned. We already have the lowest tax rate of most industrialized nations. We, already, also enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the industrialized world. I will pay more in tax to make sure my children and my children’s children live in comfort. That is what responsible members and contributors to a Democracy do!
Zig,
Ponzi schemes are not noble, they are immoral, just like SS. You don’t understand conservatism, so quit thinking you do. Conservatism is about new ideas based on a limited set of core principles, while liberalism is about only gov’t solving problems and forcing people into poverty. The constitution starts with the words WE THE PEOPLE, not we the Sheeple.
If King Barry really wanted to stimulate the economy, he’d hault gov’t spending, offer huge tax cuts for people that create jobs, and fire at least 1/4 of the federal gov’t workforce. Instead, he’s doing the same thing that has NEVER worked in world history….trying to create income with more debt. His goal is to force socialism on us by allowing gov’t to fail and making more and more people dependent on gov’t. It’s the liberal M.O.
“There are those in America today who have come to depend absolutely on government for their security. And when government fails they seek to rectify that failure in the form of granting government more power”…Ronald Reagan
Zig, the government cannot and will not fix social security and medicare. The only way we could afford them is if the federal government was completely dissolved and corporations and individuals paid 100% of their earnings to these systems. In that scenario, it would take 4 years or more just to make up the balance so that we could lower the tax rate.
Look at it this way: If we need $50 trillion today and our GDP is only $15 trillion, 3 years of 100% tax would only put us at $45 trillion, and in three years our needs would have increased beyond $50 trillion, so it would probably take another year at that point.
Helping the elderly is a noble cause, yes, but not a realistic one in this manner. Also, you are not paying tax to ensure your children live in comfort, they’re paying a higher tax to ensure that you live in comfort! Not so noble.
Tristan, I never gave a timeline for SS and medicare to be fixed. As long as the G makes small adjustments to the programs, where we aren’t runing trillion dollar deficits, and we see progress I know we will be ok. Federal Governments cannot be run a budget like one run’s a family’s budget. The Federal Budget must be run like a business Budget. At a business, they borrow to meet expenditures. Because, what’s the alternative, mass suicide? NCD is a chicken little…
NCD, what you said was, “Conservatism is about new ideas based on a limited set of core principles.” So, you admit that you subscribe to a book of conservative pricipals to help you make all your decisions and explain every solution and utterace you utter? Isn’t that what I said about conservatives versus LIBERALS?
A conservative sees an event occur and then tries to explain the event’s cause (Usually in economic terms). A conservative tries to make every event fit into his world view. A Liberal sees an event and tries to help/work with and shape the event’s outcome and aftermath. A Liberal lets events occur and then plans an appropriate response.
NCD, you are a newly reformed Catholic aren’t you? What does the Church teach you about situations such as these?
What does your book of conservative thought say to do when we get attacked by extemists? Does it say to go fight a war in a sovereign country and expell the leadership of the country, kill the leader? Does it say to fight a war until you get tired of it, then declare, “mission accomplished?”
What does your conservative guide book say to do if bankers act as common criminals and steal money from the poorest among us by offering “0 down payment” loans? Does it say to give milion dollar golden parachutes to hundred of outgoing bank employees with Federal tax dollars? Just curious where you stand on these CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES?
Those are excellent questions, Zig. I’ll be happy to answer them.
1. So, you admit that you subscribe to a book of conservative pricipals to help you make all your decisions and explain every solution and utterace you utter?
Yes, it’s called the constitution. Unfortunately, there are instances where the supreme court decides to write laws instead of interpreting them so there will be instances where laws exist that are in fact unconstitutional, but they are pretty rare. It’s part of a republican form of gov’t. If we were a democracy, it would be much, much worse.
2. A conservative tries to make every event fit into his world view.
I know that wasn’t a question, but it doesn’t make any sense. A conservative believes in a very limited federal gov’t, whose job is to provide defense, make treaties, develop standards for infrastructure, etc. The job of gov’t is not to provide charity, healthcare, retirement, etc.
3. NCD, you are a newly reformed Catholic aren’t you? What does the Church teach you about situations such as these?
I am not a “newly reformed Catholic.” I have been a catholic my entire life, but attended Methodist Church when I was younger. I was confirmed and took my first communion 5 years ago.
4. What does your book of conservative thought say to do when we get attacked by extemists? Does it say to go fight a war in a sovereign country and expell the leadership of the country, kill the leader? Does it say to fight a war until you get tired of it, then declare, “mission accomplished?”
The Constitution say that WE THE PEOPLE shall “provide for the common defense,” I think President Bush was clear when he said we would see no difference in nations that support terrorists, and those that harbor them. Liberatin Iraq was the correct move to make, and so much good has come from it. It was not a soverign nation, and Hussein (not to be confused with Barack Hussein Obama) was an evil dictator that murdered his citizens and used WMD’s on them. I watch the video of his hanging regularly and laugh…sometimes I eat popcorn. President Bush never said “mission accomplished”, and if he had he would have been correct in saying it.
5. What does your conservative guide book say to do if bankers act as common criminals and steal money from the poorest among us by offering “0 down payment” loans? Does it say to give milion dollar golden parachutes to hundred of outgoing bank employees with Federal tax dollars? Just curious where you stand on these CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES?
None of what you’re referring to in this question is a conservative principle, they are liberal principles. The mortgage bubble and explosion is because of liberal principles. The liberal legislation that allowed Democrats in the House and Senate to force banks into making bad loans, and the liberal TARP package never should have taken place. No one has a right to own a home, or receive a mortgage. For some reason, the libs in Washington disagree with me.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
All my love,
NCD
I just finished watching “W.” last night, and I have to say it was entertaining. I’m not stupid enough to believe that everything in that movie is 100% true, but I’ll bet things went down very similarly to how it’s portrayed. Watch the movie Don, if for anything else to get a good laugh out of how liberal it is…or something.
I saw it when it was at the dollar movies. (in anticipation for the depression)…I read a great deal on both sides, and there isn’t anything that suggests this film is anything beyond theatrical presumption. I give Oliver Stone as much credence as I give Zig, and place this film (while entertaining) at a truth level somewhere just below JFK and Jurrassic Park.
Yeah well I never said it was truth. However there’s no proof that any of it isn’t true either. How can you downplay the truth level of JFK? That movie is nothing BUT truths. All that movie does is give facts. It’s a true story! It tells of the investigation into the assassination of JFK, with the findings and theories of the group leading the investigation. Whether you agree with those theories or not has nothing to do with the truth level of the movie. It’s never stated in the movie that their theories are FACT.
And Oliver Stone is one of the greatest directors of all time. You’re very ignorant of good movies if you disagree. That’s my opinion. I think the problem with people like you, is that you suck the entertainment out of movies by over-analyzing them. Sit back, shut up, and enjoy the flick. Who cares if the director IS liberal?
Oliver Stone is a left wing loon that packages a bunch of lies and tries to sell it as a film based on a true story…and then morons believe it. His physical art of filmmaking might be good, but his films, in general, are hogwash…Born on the 4th of July was a good film…the soundtrack was excellent.
And I’ll bet Platoon was all a bunch of lies, even though it was written about his OWN experiences. I don’t know how you can call him a left wing loon packaging a bunch of lies, because you have no idea what are lies and what aren’t. You just don’t like him because he’s liberal. It’s got nothing to do with his films. Typical.
Linear Libby,
If you want to be taken the slightest bit seriously, you need to get off the commie-wood bandwagon you’re on. Commie-wood is so far out of sync with main-stream America, and Stone is a left wing nut job spewing lies and propaganda….and most of his political films are either full of B.S., suck, or both. That’s my opinion, and that makes me correct.
Ronald Reagan never knew you, but boy could he describe you…
“The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”
Riggghhhttt. Stone’s only been nominated/won Best Director and Best Picture Oscars multiple times. Yep, he sure is a nut job spewing lies and propaganda. And to reject your “Commie-wood” statement, Oliver Stone has also won many international awards as well. He makes great movies, whether you agree with his politics or not. I don’t see how you can argue that. That’s my opinion, which makes me correct. You’re opinion lacks logic (as usual), which makes you incorrect.
If you can’t sit back and enjoy Platoon, then that’s all I need to know about you.
Why is it that you stupid libs just can’t understand plain English…??? Would it be easier for you if I wrote in Spanish? I never said I didn’t appreciate Platoon – a film about a war that we won, but commie-wood liberalism aided in our failure. It’s difficult to enjoy a war film, but if that’s what you’re into, so be it.
I said that his POLITICAL movies are filled with lies and propaganda. There are other film makers that are more accomplished and far more talented than he is, and he never really impressed me. He does a fair job when he tells stories…like platoon, wall street, world trade center, even 4th of july, even though 4th was not entirely accurate. W, JFK, Nixon, Larry Flynt, are just a bunch of b.s. and liberal lies for propaganda purposes designed to “educate” people like you. Those films define his level of stupidity. Add the reality that he’s a buddy to the evil communist dictator Chavez, and we know where he stands….he’s a loser, his film company is failing, and recent films suck. He should take a lesson or two from Opie.
And he never one best picture. Anything else you’d like to make up?
Mike, give it up! Oliver Stone is a freakin’ mess… For you to defend him as emotionally as you have makes me wonder about your character…
While I disagree with NCD about just about everything in his post, I believe Oliver Stone’s movies are trash!
Thanks Zig. I hope I answered your earlier questions.
I never said he won best picture. I said he has been nominated/won best director and best picture oscars. Maybe it’s you who can’t read plain English. Next you’ll tell me you don’t like any Sean Penn movies because he’s a liberal. Or maybe you don’t like the Bourne trilogy because Matt Damon is.
Zig,
That’s all I need to know about you.
Linear Libby,
That last post might have been the most intelligent thing you’ve ever said. You’re actually learning how to listen to things long term and make reasonable conclusions.
I don’t waste a whole lot of time watching movies because I have a wife, four kids, and the souls of liberals to save.
You’re right, I don’t watch Sean Penn movies because he’s a communist lover. If you hang out with communists like Chavez and make google eyes at him, you’re a waste of American blood…just like Sean Penn.
I watched the first Borne movie, it was okay. The chick was hot. Matt Damon is a complete moron. Now I understand why you think the way you do. This is the second time you brought him up.
If these commie-wood boneheads would just shut up and act, things would be much better. They’re not in commie-wood becuase they’re intelligent, they’re there becuase the look pretty and can play pretend….sort of like a bunch of grown up 5 year olds with expensive cars and houses. They’re completely out of touch with mainstream America, and for some reason you seem to get a thrill up your leg from them.
I mention Matt Damon, Sean Penn, Oliver Stone, and even Alec Baldwin because they’re known liberals. This obviously shows how close-minded you are that you’d hate a movie just because of an actors political beliefs, even when those beliefs have nothing to do with a movie. You see, I have this innate ability to sit down and enjoy a movie…for the sake of the movie. Conservatives lack that ability.
I do understand that you probably don’t have much time for movies with the wife and kids. I bring up movies a lot because they’re a big part of my social life. If I only went to go see movies done by Conservative actors, I’d be SOL.
I don’t watch movies starring commie lovers. Sean Penn is a commie lover. Matt Damon is just a moron. I spend my entire day with children under the age of 7. I’m looking to be cognitively stimulated when I see a film, and Matt Damon certainly wouldn’t fit the bill.
You just can’t seem to listen, or you’re simply stupid. I don’t hate movies with liberals in them. I don’t hate liberals. I hate liberalism. It is an immoral political ideology. It requires poverty to expand, and then it expands poverty. I will do anything to defeat it…anything. One of the ways is to avoid movies made by and starring commie lovers. Turns out, I’m not alone…Commie-wood is failing. That makes me very happy.
I’m only typing a short reply here because quite honestly, I’m sick of you idiocy.
Hollywood is not failing. I don’t know why you’d think so and I also don’t know why it’d make you happy if it was. I also don’t care. During a depression or recession, people will still continue to go see movies because it helps to get away from their problems for a bit. They also possess the ability to sit back and relax for a couple of hours and enjoy some entertainment…unlike you and other conservative idiots.
edit: “Sick of YOUR idiocy.”
http://www.judiciaryreport.com/hollywood_hit_by_financial_crisis.htm
Commie-wood IS failing. Makes me laugh… There are hundreds of stories about the economic failure out there. Don’t worry, the conservatives are doing alright. There is also some socialist bailout money going out there. I’m sure King Barry will make sure commie-wood doesn’t waste the the taxpayer dollars.
I think you should have stated that some Hollywood tradepapers are failing. Because no where in that link does it say Hollywood is failing. It says Hollywood is feeling the economic pinch like EVERYONE else.
WHERE DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HOLLYWOOD FAILING? A failing business is one that might go under, but I sincerely doubt that Hollywood will go under. Only an idiot, such as yourself, would think that Hollywood is anywhere close to shutting down…and then laugh about it. And, I don’t worry about conservatives, I pity them.
Right Linear Libby,
It said nothing about falling ticket sales, DVD sales, not to mention stock prices plunging and commie-wood needing to go to India for financing. Go ahead and defend those in bed with socialists and commies. I’m sure they’ll provide food and safe haven for you during the economic and political collapse caused by King Barry. Maybe you, Oli Stone, Harry Belefonte, Danny Gover, Sean Penn and Michael Moore will hang out together bad mouthing liberty while patriots are shipping you all off to the island paradise of Cuba. Look on the bright side, you’ll at least be provided a rice cooker, and good cigars.
I would rather live a life time in a great depression under the premise of liberty than one day under socialist rule.
You just think anyone who speaks out against their government is badmouthing liberty…when in fact they’re just using one of their freedoms.
You said something earlier like that you wish these actors would just shut up and act. Meaning that you wish they’d not express their politics too. WHY? You’re certainly taking advantage of your right to talk about your politics in a public forum, why can’t they. Oh right I remember, it’s because you’re a judgmental hypocrite.
Linear Libby said:
“You just think anyone who speaks out against their government is badmouthing liberty…”
Mike, I’m very sorry that your educational system has failed you so much. But the fact that you actually believe that proves it. All I do is speak out against gov’t, and I don’t bad mouth liberty. Go’vt by design infringes upon liberty. Gov’t must be kept under control, and prevented from expanding. Your commie-wood friends prop up gov’t, and by doing so, speak out against liberty. They don’t try to hide it, why are you?
I think that anyone that gives ga-ga eyes to, and sympathizes with, evil communist dictators (like the commie-wood “entertainers” mentioned earlier) are indeed speaking against American Liberty. In this country they have a right to say it, and I have a right to let everyone know they are anti-american, anti-liberty commie-lovers. Everyone knows it already, why are you trying to defend them? They don’t care about you.