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May 28, 2008 by The Constant Complainer

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  1. Mike says:

    You need to complain about something. It took me a half hour to get gas today because the station I went to only has two exits and one of those was closed off. So the only way for cars to get in and out of the station was to go through a pump lane. So if someone was getting gas, we all had to sit there and wait. NOT a pleasant experience.

  2. Otis says:

    I want to complain about every liberal politician (democrat and republican) that is refusing to realize that we must drill for our own oil (and other natural resources) now AND begin to develop other reasonable forms of energy to prevent a total reliance of foreign sources of energy. Any politician that refuses to publicly support immediate off shore and Alaskan drilling will not get my vote come November.

  3. Mike says:

    Sorry, but I think you’re wrong about drilling our own oil in Alaska and other regions. Do you realize that if we deplete our own supplies, we will be completely dependent on other Countries and have NO control over price gouging. No we should not use our own supply, however I do believe we should prepare to do so. I heard it takes close to ten years to start drilling (Could be wrong, I don’t know). If we have everything ready to go for drilling, then it’ll be there when we need it. Gas prices are still lower in this country than in Europe, so maybe we need to take some advice from them about how to live with high gas prices.

    Also, in what way do politicians control the price of gas? They don’t! It costs more to buy the barrels of oil from the Arabs, and therefore it costs more to buy the gas at the pumps. Kindergarten economics.

  4. Otis says:

    It’s at least 10 years (plus court dates because of environmentalist kooks) before we would reap any results from Alaska because of the small time frame legally and logistically available to drill (during dark months), so beginning now is the best thing to do. Had we started when we discovered the oil, we’d have it by now. I don’t care about the Caribou or the polar bears…I’m not even really concerned about the price. I’m concerned that we are too reliant on our enemies to provide us with the most important natural resource that fuels our Freedom. We will never be able to be 100% independent from foreign oil, but we could ease our reliance now, and in the meantime continue to develop reasonable forms of new energy. Using our food supply to develop energy is not a reasonable thing to do. We must remember that China and India have a growing need for oil, and will continue to suck up the world supply. That will continue to drive up prices. Eventually, we will get in bidding wars with China. When that happens, there are very few countries we can count on for oil. Russia will choose China over us, and so will the Middle Eastern Dictators. We can’t rely on only ourselves, Mexico, Canada, and Iraq for our entire oil supply…we must develop our own while we create new energy sources and technologies.

    By the way, you’re wrong…Our politicians DO control a large portion of the price of gasoline and energy in several ways:

    1. Extreme taxes levied on the energy companies
    2. Extreme taxes levied on the consumers for gasoline.
    3. Ridiculous laws that prohibit the construction and expansion of oil refineries and exploration. We are still using 1970’s technology to refine our oil, and haven’t built a new refinery since then. There is one getting ready to come online however.
    4. Refusal to allow for the production of liquid coal to create an extremely effective fuel, second in quality only to oil.
    5. Did I mention the oppressive taxes?

    Pre-school political science…This is what they don’t teach you at your failing liberal kook public schools.

  5. Alex says:

    I am tired of everyone complaining about gas prices as they cruise up and down my road with their 4 barrel carbs, and their 3500 series pickup trucks whilst I drive my conservative 4 cyl standard Saturn that closes in between 40 to 45MPG. I have been driving this for 5 years, and have just watched the gas prices soar.

    I know that having everyone downsize is a rediculous option, and would cost more than some of us filling our tanks at this rate for a year. I understand that for some areas hybrid cars are not necessarily the economical choice that some want them to be.

    What is also killing me is that it takes me over 20$ to mow my yard. But enough about that.. see so sick of hearing people ranting about it.. they have pulled me in. So I guess I am sick of my self..

  6. Zig says:

    I do not like it when people say that anyone who is concerned about the wellbeing of the planet and life on the planet is a “Liberal Kook.” I am neither, a Liberal or a Kook, but I think that we need a balance in what is considered acceptable action when it comes to invading other species’ habitat. I don’t like paying $4 gallon for gas, but I would like it even less if some animal species were totally knocked off the face of the earth because some one’s inability to BUCK-UP and pay at the pump. Besides, the people complaning are the one’s who have pot loads money and want to keep, not waste, their pot loads of money to spend on other worthless gadgets. Stop buying OIL Futures and, therefore, driving up the price of a barrel of oil.

    I, for one, have accepted the fact that oil is geting harder to produce, more expensive and, therefore, gas is close to $4 a gallon. Many factors go into gas prices, true. But, where was this cheese and “whine” crowd when gas was 99 cents. I believe all complainers about gas prices need to either ride their skate boards to work, get a second job to pay for the higher price, buy a hybrid car or shut-up. We live in a world thst is all interconnected and until everyone realizes that we will be doomed to live in it. Vote Barrack!

  7. Mike says:

    Zig, you can’t pick up chicks on a skateboard. And how the hell am I supposed to drag race down 57 with a 4 cyl. I’ll wait till I’m married to worry about gas prices. For now I’m satisfied taking my 442 out on weekends for a $50 ride. (Of course the 442 is in peices at the moment so that is really irrelevant).

  8. Otis says:

    Mr/Ms Zig,

    You are clearly a liberal kook. You don’t care about energy prices, and are concerned about the future of a species over our individual and our country’s freedom. That’s the definition of a kook.

    As I metioned before, I’m not really concerned about the current gas prices since they are still low compared to most of Europe and even Canada. But, they are getting very close to out of control. I’m really concerned about our freedom and the American lifestyle. Since oil is the fuel of freedom, it makes more sense to produce our own than to rely on evil countries like Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuala for our supply. We must find more oil now so we have a couple decades to develop better quality and more efficient alternative forms of energy. If that means we need to drill through the head of a caribou, or baby polar bear, then let the drilling begin. My freedom, and the freedom of my children and my children’s children is far more important than the life of a baby polar bear…They keep growing in numbers and they keep killing people. Perhaps we should start hunting anyway. I heard polar bear tastes real good…(as long as you keep it from freezing before you eat it….)

  9. Mike says:

    Otis,
    If you truly believe that oil is what makes America free, then you are the kook my friend. Have you ever had something that you couldn’t even begin to think of life without it, and then years later when you didn’t have it anymore you realized that you didn’t even miss it? The point is that in the years to come, Americans will look back on today and wonder why the hell we were ever so dependent on oil. And at that time, maybe you’ll realize why oil has absolutely NOTHING to do with America’s freedom. How is your freedom and your children’s freedom effected by oil? Moreover, how is drilling for oil in Alaska going to give you more freedom?

    You call Zig a liberal kook, but it sounds to me like you’re the kook. You’re willing to help ruin this planet to save a few cents at the pump. Why? Because it is what is convenient for YOU! It requires no lifestyle change, which you’ve previously stated is something you’re concerned about.

    So lets go ahead and try to solve this oil problem by creating new problems like you suggest, rather than going to the root of the problem and become less dependent on oil. Oh, but that might change your precious lifestyle in the smallest way.

    By the way, you sound an awful lot like President Bush in your post. I was waiting for you to mention WMD’s and the Axis of Evil.

  10. Otis says:

    Mike,

    Clearly you are an extremely well educated product of public schools and liberal lies…I’m typing slowly so you don’t get confused.

    Oil IS the fuel for today’s freedom. Imagine what would happen if
    it suddenly disappeared…the tangible objects of freedom provided to us in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution would quickly become a memory. Here’s how things would change….

    1. Travel would be limited to how far we could walk. Eventually, horses would be used, but it would take a while to breed enough of them. Bicycles would go away because there wouldn’t be any oil to manufacture tires, or oil the chain and hubs.
    2. Food sources would disappear…since food could not be transported efficiently, we would be limited to area growers and many people would die because they couldn’t grow food for themselves. Eventually, new farms would pop up, but they would be extremely inefficient and couldn’t keep up with demand until more and more died and the demand got smaller.
    3. Widespread disease and death…Since food would need to be served fresh, and could not be properly cleaned and cooled, the chance of disease would be 100%
    4. In addition to providing fuel to move machinery, oil is used to make over 4000 other products that we use everyday…(like the tires discussed above)
    5. Jobs, careers, and education would suffer or disappear. People would need to spend most of their time growing food, or finding coal or wood to heat their homes. They would need to locate water sources and boil water to kill bacteria. Eventually people would begin to specialize in things and trade for services, but that could take many years.
    6. If free nations had to digress like this, we would become a dictatorship very quickly because we lean so much on government to solve our problems that so many of us wouldn’t be able to survive. The digression would be too much for most to handle.

    The simple reality is that oil is not the problem. It’s the only solution that exists. Drilling for more oil will not harm the environment. Oil is not harming the environment now because we have used our intelligence to clean up after ourselves. Everyday, more global warming theories are being outed as liberal lies. The global warming alarmists only want more control of the individual and are on a quest for power.

    Our discovery of oil and the application of its energies brought about progress for free nations. Progress frightens liberal politicians because progress brings about freedom and less need for government help. The digression of freedom brings about a greater need for government help and will eventually lead free nations into dictatorships.

    The need for crude oil will never go away, and neither will the progress of the human condition. I don’t have any intention on changing my lifestyle to save a stupid polar bear or to be concerned about 10,000 square miles of snow covered wasteland in Alaska. The reality is we must have it. The concern we should all have is not in our addiction to oil in general, but our addiction to foreign oil. We must get our own oil. No other energy can be created or used, or stored and transported without using oil in some way. It is the greatest tool God has given us next to sunlight and water. Our focus should be on getting as much of our own as we possibly can, and use it to develop the equipment and machinery to develop other forms of energy before anyone else does. By doing this, we will use less and less oil and create more and more freedom. But we must have it and use it to create other energies. Very simply, oil cannot be replaced. Ever.

  11. Mike says:

    Otis, I won’t deny that I am well educated by public schools, and am not embarrassed to admit that. You get what you put into your own education, no matter where you go. Why pay more money for a private school for the same education you can get at a public one? You clearly have an elitist attitude and unfortunately you have never been knocked down a peg to realize that you are far from elite.

    Your points of oil linking to freedom are laughable. You say that if oil “suddenly disappeared…the tangible objects of freedom provided to us in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution would quickly become a memory”. HAHA. Let’s start with point #1.

    1. Travel would be limited to how far we could walk? We’d have to ride horses? Weren’t those the EXACT modes of transportation when the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were written? Therefore I’m pretty sure we’d still have the “Tangible objects of freedom” provided to us by those documents.

    2. Food sources would disappear? Was there not food in the 1700’s? How the hell did people live? Jefferson, Hancock, and Franklin must have been freaking starving!

    3. Widespread disease and death? Wow! Somehow you’ve now linked oil to medicine. Sure we’d have some distribution hang-ups, but the lack of oil cannot take away from the advances in medicine in the last century. My point being that we’d still have medicine dude.

    4. We wouldn’t need tires if there was no oil. And machinery would not sit around useless for long, alternative fuels would be created.

    5. Yep you’re right, without oil there’d be no education. (Sarcasm). I guess all you private school elitists would have to suck it up and go to a close by public school, especially since we’d “Be limited by how far we could walk”.

    6. No oil would lead us into a Dictatorship? Was this country founded as a Dictatorship when we actually DID lack everything you’ve incorrectly linked to oil? No I think not.

    You are right about one thing. Oil is NOT the problem, WE are. You say that progress frightens liberals, however it’s YOU that is trying to keep things the way they are. It’s you that refuses to consume less gas and help our country become less dependent on oil. You’re also right about how oil cannot be replaced, meaning that it is NON-RENEWABLE! One day we will run out, guaranteed. And if oil suddenly did disappear, there’d be an alternative fuel created within months, long before your doomsday predictions happened. Companies are making giant leaps in the alternate fuel industry, and some believe they have solutions already. Actually they do in fact. I believe I’ve heard that for $1000, you can convert your car to run on vegetable oil. We don’t need to drill for new oil in our own country. It’s best to leave that oil alone to sell to foreign countries at $800 a barrel while we’re using our alternative fuels.

    Your opinions and points are spoken like a true right wing extremist. They make no sense and have no merit behind them at all. Freedom doesn’t depend on oil, but I think you might be getting your rights confused with freedom. You could make an argument that your rights would be suppressed with the lack of oil, however you’d STILL be wrong. Why? Because you do NOT have the right to drive a car, that’s a privilege.

  12. Zig says:

    Looks like I got the discussion started. Look, I am a product of the PUBLIC schools. Only, my PUBLIC school and any PUBLIC school is far better financed than anywhere you two morons went to school. I can see that Otis is well educated b/c he knows from where freedom comes.

    I am not here to argue PUBLIC/PRIVATE funding for education here. That is a subject for future discussion. I am not here to talk about OIL being $130 a barrel and gas being $4 a gallon. I am only saying that my wife drives an SUV. I am happy to let her drive an SUV. Otis, Gas is not interconnected to freedom. The illusion of Freedom is a topic for another discussion.

    The purpose of my compliaint was to complain that people like MIke and Otis exist in this democracy of ours.

  13. Zig says:

    I also want to ask that you two other posters or (posers) keep you RANTS to a minimum. I can only follow each post so far before my red “Freak” flag goes up and I tune out the rest of your post. If you have any questions you seriously want answered, e.mail me directly.

  14. Otis says:

    Mike,

    I’m going to type even slower for you….

    The point that I was making was again ignored. It was this…imagine if oil suddenly disappeared.

    What I said:
    Travel would be limited…

    What you said:

    Weren’t those the EXACT modes of transportation when the DOI and Const were written? Therefore, I’m pretty sure we’d still have the “Tangible objects of Freedom” provided to us by those documents.

    My response:

    You’re not thinking through every piece of information. Freedom is given to us by God and preserved by the Constitution. The tangible objects of freedom are simply part of someone at birth, and differ from generation to generation. Our Founding Fathers did not have the freedom to fly around the world. Why? Because the technology did not exist. What created that technology? OIL. We have that freedom, and if oil disappeared, so would that freedom. The freedom to travel in a car, or in an airplane is a “tangible object of freedom” The freedom to travel, regardless of the mechanism, is a simple right. IF oil went away today, we’d be stuck where we are, regardless of the stupid right vs. pridledge discussion.

    What I said:
    “food sources would disappear.”

    What you said:
    “Jefferson, Hancock, and Franklin must have been freaking starving”

    My response:

    Actually, they were freaking starving. Read 1776 and John Adams, or any other non-fiction historical work. They grew their own food, or there were local providers for their food. We don’t have that luxury. If oil went away today, how long could you survive? Where would you get your food? Don’t forget, that there is no way to store the bulk of your food since there is no way to cool it, and you’d need to find wood for a fire to cook it. Remember, no oil….no propane, no natural gas because it takes crude oil to store and transport it…

    What I said:

    Widespread disease.

    What you said:

    Wow, Oil is linked to medicine..

    My response:

    No, your family dying from disease is linked to your stupidity. ….How do you expect to keep your meat? There aren’t any icecubes. Refridgerators don’t run. The vaccines we have are imported because the liberals forced the vaccine industry overseas. How will the vaccines get here? Milk will spoil. Meat would spoil, and disease would spread. There would be no way to test for disease. People will die within a week of oil disappearing.

    What I said:

    Machinery would be useless

    What You said:

    We’d develop alternative fuels.

    My response:

    How can we develop alternative fuels without oil? It takes energy to make energy. How do we manufacture, store, and transport ethanol without crude oil? Electricity must have crude oil and coal. Nuclear energy must have crude oil and coal. Hydrogen must have crude oil and electricity. Solar energy must have crude oil.

    What I said:

    Jobs, careers and education would suffer.

    What you said:

    “Yep you’re right, without oil there’d be no education. (Sarcasm)
    NOTE.***this was the point when Otis realized Mike was an idiot….****

    My Response:
    Public schools couldn’t operate because there would be no money, and no transportation and people would stop paying taxes. Churches and home schoolers would continue to function as they did during our nation’s founding, but public schools couldn’t transport their children efficiently and would be useless. Schools would be very local and would initially rely on volunteers to teach the children, and most of the kids would be needed to help work the farms and would essentially be used as free labor. We would have at least one generation of unintelligent workers.

    What I said:

    Free nations would turn to dictatorships because the digression would be too much to handle (summarizing)

    What you said:

    We lacked oil before our founding and we weren’t a dictatorship. (summarizing)

    My response:

    This is about digression. When freedoms are removed, digression occurs and so do dictatorships. Haven’t you read Atlas Shrugged? This is a perfect example. You need to seriously think about what would happen if oil completely went away. I agree that we need to develop other sources of energy, but not because of price, but because of freedom. I want to be able to travel the world, and possibly the stars. That cannot be done without oil because it is going to take oil to develop other sources of energy. It is not a pollutant if we are responsible. But, if it goes away, so will our freedom to do so many of the things we love to do. Oil is in so many of our products, and it ships our products, or keeps them cool, or warm, etc… We can’t get away from it. If alternatives existed that would provide today’s lifestyle, Benjamin Franklin and Albert Einstein would have discovered it. We must have oil. Next to sunlight, it is God’s greatest creation. How we use that oil is a different argument, but it is the only solution.

  15. Mike says:

    Otis,

    “NOTE. ***this was the point when Otis realized Mike was an idiot….****”

    Wow, I’m surprised it took you that long to resort to name-calling. I guess maybe that’s what you do to make yourself sound intelligent. (It doesn’t work.)

    Zig, I don’t know what I said to piss you off, but so be it. If I have any questions I want answered, I’d rather ask Otis. At least he’s willing to argue his point. That’s better than griping about other posters and leaving 3-line responses.

  16. Brad says:

    I agree with Zig. Otis you need to shorten up your long winded rants. There’s nothing like linking fuel costs to widespread disease. Actually I don’t even know if that’s what you were saying or not because it was too long and I stopped reading it. LOL. Is that what you call debate victory by boring someone to death??? I love that approach.

  17. Otis says:

    Zig: Don’t blog if you’re not capable of paying attention. I’m sure most of us would prefer that you’d either elaborate on your ideas, or not respond at all.

    Brad: That was probably the second most intelligent thing posted and very funny: Here’s a quick sum up.

    I said drill, others said oil was bad and harms the environment. I said oil is the only fuel of our freedom and can’t be replaced and others laughed. I developed a senario of what things would look like if oil suddenly dissappeared. (this is where the disease part comes in because since there would be little or no electricity we would resort to eating rotten meat. It would also be very difficult to transport existing vaccines from Europe or to fight new diseases because it would be impossible to mass produce the vaccines. Then I outlined why free nations might resort to dictatorships if the 4000 products and services that we use oil for stopped being manufactured and developed. This would be the digression of the human condition. (Read Atlas Shrugged) The good news is that oil will never go away if we act now. More is always being created and discovered. My main point is we will need to discover more to get off of the foreign oil train so we can use our own, and develop other forms of energy. Without oil, other forms of energy cannot be developed because it will be needed somewhere in the process. Next to the sun, it’s God’s greatest resource.

  18. Mike says:

    Otis, did you learn to spell “Scenario” in that private school of yours?

    I liked this quote too:
    “The good news is that oil will never go away if we act now. More is always being created and discovered.”

    You do realize that oil is a non-renewable resource? You can’t replace it and you certainly can’t create it. Don’t get motor oil confused with crude oil. Oil will run out, especially at the rate we consume it. It’s guaranteed to happen, and you’d understand this if you knew it was non-renewable.

    This was laughable too:
    “Next to the sun, it’s God’s greatest resource.”

    You see, an intelligent person would think that water would be the second greatest resource, or possibly the first. You CAN survive without oil, but you cannot survive without water. It’s quite ignorant to believe that oil is necessary to sustain life. It shows just how confused and twisted your thought process is.

  19. Otis says:

    I thought about including water as one of God’s greatest resources, but we could chemically engineer water if we had to. We cannot engineer actual sunlight or oil. We could engineer something that resembles sunlight and oil, but we would need oil to do it. I’m thinking 3 and 4 steps down the line…But for arguments sake, I’ll agree that oil is the 3rd most important resource, and while it does not guarantee life, it creates an easier lifestyle and perpetuates luxury. I automatically figured that you knew that already since it’s obvious.

    There is no provable evidence that oil is not being created every second, and has been since the creation of the earth. Therefore, it is possible that it could last forever because of its constant creation. So to guarantee its complete disappearance forever is a stretch, and some say it is mathematically impossible, but must be considered. However, if the oil does run out, we will not be capable of creating new energy because oil is required in some part of the process in every type of manufactured energy. We must begin now before oil becomes difficult to retrieve. I’m not sure why you brought up motor oil…??? Maybe you’re confused.

    I think we both agree on the importance of developing other forms of energy, but my reason to do it is to perpetuate the existence of the American way; I’m not referring to simple survival and I don’t care about the polar bears. You incorrectly believe that oil is harming the environment. Now that we’ve developed ways to use it cleanly, that argument is dead. It sounds like you think that we could simply create another type of energy out of thin air, but without oil it cannot be done. The creation, storage,and transportation will require oil somewhere in the process. The trick is to quickly get our hands on as much oil as we can so we can develop other energies before anyone else does. Then we can use those new energies to develop other new energies. That will lift the foreign oil addiction and will expand American Exceptionalism. We must do this before we start getting into bidding wars with China and India for oil. We will certainly lose those bidding wars. You may want to give up on our luxuries and our freedoms, but I do not. I want to travel when I want, and buy the greatest products made on the planet and have them shipped to me in 5 days from any continent. The most important difference between us and the cavemen is the discovery of oil and its application in fuels and over 4000 products. If we lose the oil, we lose our way of life.

  20. Otis says:

    Mike,
    Why do you think I went to private school?

  21. The Constant Complainer says:

    Wow, what a way to start out the bulletin board. A hard hitting discussion about fuel and oil. It always makes me laugh when people call each other liberal kooks and idiots during political discussions. That seems to be the gut reaction comment. LOL. But good comments nonetheless. So far comments have been posted from VA, PA, OH and FL. Keep em’ coming.

  22. Mike says:

    Otis,
    I was under the impression you went to a private school from your comments mocking public school education:

    “Pre-school political science…This is what they don’t teach you at your failing liberal kook public schools.”

    “Clearly you are an extremely well educated product of public schools and liberal lies…I’m typing slowly so you don’t get confused.”

    And I mentioned motor oil in response to your comment about oil being created. I thought maybe you were referring to synthetic motor oil, which is completely different.

  23. Otis says:

    I don’t think I’d have the moral authority to mock public schools if I didn’t know anything about them. I attended public schools, but I was fortunate enough to have a few conservative teachers that were able to expose to me the liberal lies of the mainstream public schools and the corrupt teacher’s union. I have a sibling that is the superintendent of a public school system. My spouse is a public school teacher and she does her best to expose the liberal lies of the public school system and the corrupt teacher’s union. I did my undergraduate and graduate studying at small liberal arts colleges. I send my children to catholic school. They are receiving a far superior education than they would in my local public schools. We pay just over $3,000 for each child, and I would happily pay more to keep them out of the public schools.

  24. Mike says:

    Otis,
    I’m pleased with the education I received from my public school. Maybe the ones in your area aren’t very good. I always say that you get what you put into your education. I went to a small-town rural high school. I could have easily just coasted through the system and graduated, but instead I chose to take on AP courses such as Physics, English, and Calculus. It’s an impossible argument, but I wouldn’t doubt that I received an education just as good, if not better than a good private school like the one your children attend. I really don’t have a problem with either private or public schools, but I also don’t have kids yet.

    Also, there were no liberal lies or conservative lies for that matter taught in my schools. We focused on core curriculum like Math, English, Foreign language, Science, and History. I believe we had one Government class, and there we were taught to make up our own minds and not believe everything we’re told in politics.

  25. Otis says:

    Mike,
    Based on your inability to comprehend and visualize the impact of oil on the historical success and future success of our nation and our lifestyles, I’d argue that your public schools failed you miserably. Don’t feel bad, you’re not alone.

  26. Mike says:

    Otis,
    Well since you seem to lack common sense and rationalization, I’d say your parents failed you. Don’t feel bad, you’re not alone either.

  27. Otis says:

    Mike,
    My parents are liberal democrat environmentalist wackos that believe Al Gore’s global warming lies. They failed a lot of people. But just like all of you liberals, they’re ignorant. Not stupid, just ignorant. For some reason liberals refuse to ignore the truth. I know you guys mean well though.

  28. Mike says:

    Otis,
    You seriously don’t believe in global warming? There’s scientific proof that supports it. How could you think it’s lies, there’s proof! I’m not talking about Al Gore or the movie “The Day After Tomorrow”, but real proof supporting global warming. What lies did Al Gore tell about global warming? I’ll bet you think everything Michael Moore says are lies too. Granted a lot of what Moore films is misconstrued and twisted to make it sound the way he wants, but a good deal of it is verbatim truth. I’m curious to know if you believe in evolution?

    If you think global warming is a lie, then it seems to me like you’re the one ignoring the truth.

    What truth are you suggesting Liberals ignore? Give me some specific examples, not just the usual conservative rhetoric.

  29. Otis says:

    Let me just set the premise…

    Al Gore and Michael Moore are lying morons.

    Not only do I not believe that there has been any dangerous warming, the catastrophic theories Al Gore is throwing out there are wrong. We don’t even know what the optimal temperature of the earth should be. We don’t even know if the temperature change that has been reported is even accurate.

    You’re the one that believes in these ridiculous theories. Throw out one of your “facts”, and I’ll give you my take on it.

    Usually when I talk to global warming believers, they don’t know anything about what they’re talking about or the arguments that Al Gore put foward. They just say something stupid like “look at the tornado activity…it must be global warming caused by SUV’s.”

    So start with one or two of your “facts” and I’ll explain what I think.

  30. Alex says:

    I would like to complain about complaining… can we complain about something else besides oil… I am done with that. You know what I would like to complain about. People who don’t pay their other bills for 5 years and then blame gas prices as to why they can not pay their student loans. duh.. everything goes up.. deal with it…

  31. Otis says:

    Try a different forum Alex. We weren’t discussing gas prices or student loans. If you’re going to complain about something other people are doing, at least know what they’re complaining about.

  32. Zig says:

    Otis–Are you that bad of a thinker/talker that you must explain every last nuance of what you say and what you mean. When one must explain what a joke means, it’s a bad joke. Similarly, when one must explain the content of their spoken words, those words lose all ability to make people think. As Shakespeare once said, “Brevity is the soul of wit.”

    When Otis throws out all these so called “Facts,” (while not footnoteing his source) then trys to tell people how these facts support his argument, it loses all of its ability to make people think. I for one don’t care to be lectured why Otis is RIGHT and we are all wrong. This is an open forum.

    Otis, why so much venom for those BIG BAD LIBERALS? Stop trying to make others believe you are a victim of $4 gas and the liberal machine. The LIBERALS aren’t in power idiot…(the conservative credentials of your buddy George can be questioned) The last time the LIBERALS were in power gas was 99 cents. True “Liberals” don’t believe in removing the leader of a soverign country!

    Global warmning is here, its real. Those bad storms are beig caused by global warming and the amount of added moisture in the air. I know you don’t believe it b/c you can’t see it, but Santa and The Tooth fairy aren’t real either. I see your buddy G.W.B. finally admitted Global Warming’s presence a few days back. Uncle Dick must have told him it was a good idea (You know,to save his legacy on environmental issues).

    I cannot leave this forum without first telling Otis that the ones who are burying their head in the sand is not the lIBERALS. It is the members of the conservative movement who don’t believe in SCIENCE or the facts that SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH provide!

  33. Zig says:

    Otis–That parochial schools you send you children to are teaching them to LOVE their neighbor and to “treat their neighbor as you they want to be treated.” (Golden Rule and First Commandment) Better put a stop to your children from learning those Socialist teachings. Your wife is a screamig LIBERAL who is feeding from the trough of public service! You are a total hypocrite! Why don’t you complain every 2 weeks when your wife comes home with her paycheck! That’s what I thought you fake!

  34. Zig says:

    Otis–I thought that conservatives believed in FAMILY VALUES… Do those values include throwing your parents under the bus and saying they are ignorant.

    Wait, if Otis is product of his parents (Yeah, that’s how it works, Douche bag) and his parents are ignorant, then Otis has been Sold a bill of goods by the Conservative Machine and is now following in his parents’ footsteps.

  35. Zig says:

    Mike–If you want to argue, this site is called theconstantcomlainer.com. It’s not called sitaroundandarguewithpeoplewhobasicallyagreewithyou.com

    I may not blog like a pro. I have a life to live. My short attention span is due to listening to my Liberal instructers at my Liberal Arts college with a Former Republican Congressman president.

  36. Otis says:

    Wow Zig. You must be a fun guy to party with. You should lay off the kool-aid.

    I was never referring to gas prices, (I said that 15 times) that’s the liberal song and dance. Everybody but me keeps bringing it up. Since the dems are in power in both chambers and you seem to care about the gas prices so much, perhaps you should complain to them. I seem to remember that was Nancy Pelosi’s big campaign promise.
    I’d like to complain about the price of fresh lobster…$43 per pound! Unreal.

  37. Otis says:

    Zig,

    p.s. The “warming” you’re referring to has been put into question with legitimate science, not b.s. consensus. If I wanted to get a pork barrel funding project to fight global warming, and if I was the temperature taker, I could fake global warming too.
    IF any has occurred during the 20th century, (even though the planet has cooled since the late 90’s) it has not had any catastrophic effects, and has not been caused by human kind. I just don’t accept the premise, and no one in the global warming kook world can provide ANY proof.

  38. Zig says:

    Otis-May I see some documentation or some reason to believe your outrageous comments. i.e. “The “warming” you’re referring to has been put into question with legitimate science, not b.s. consensus.” What’s up? The dramatic and wildly violent storms and melting polar icecaps aren’t proof enough for you?

    I want to state, again, that prices go up and down in an economic cycle. We have had it way to good for to long, with gas prices at 99 cents. Now, maybe we can finally get some fuel efficient cars to drive. I see in the PD this morning that more fuel efficient cars are starting to become more popular, kind of strange? First, we remove the leader of the anti-environmentalists and then we save the world. Sounds like something is finally sinking into the thick heads of you dam- conservatives! All of you guys are just scared b/c you all know what and who is coming…

    But, Otis, why so much Venom? Could it be that you, like all conservatives, don’t believe that LIBERALS are smart enough to challenge you. This, shortsighted assumption, would actually prove your mentally ill status to all those in this forum. You guys in the Conservative movement need to accept the fact that a new day is coming. It will be here sooner than you think. I think we need a new forum for politics and the election. VOTE BARRAK!

  39. Zig says:

    Your own Boy, GWB, finally had to admit the other day that Global Warming was real. Since all of you and your neo-conservatives posers form all of your opinions from what your “leader” says (and can barely think for yourself), I thought this was you opinion also. My bad! Science is real. These are undisputable events that show the globe is warming. Whether it is a result of our use of fossil fuels and hairspray bottles, or volcanos and cow farts, it is REAL!

  40. Zig says:

    I love to buy 3.99 a gallon gas. Now maybe you richies will do something about our dependance on fossil fuels. Otis, are you going to try to teach your children your CONSERVATIVE ideas? B/c children always do the opposite of what their parents teach them and do…and you are proof of that. I need a few more TREE- HUGGING LIBERALS to support my causes. THANKYOU, Poser!

  41. Otis says:

    Zig,
    Perhaps you could be a little more specific on the weather that “proves” global warming. Are you referring to the excessively cold winters North America has been experiencing? Are you referring to the cold summers the southern hemisphere has been experiencing? Maybe it’s the falling ocean temps. Perhaps it’s the fact that the earth has not had any measurable rise in temperature since the late 90’s (1998), or that the past 3 years have averaged out to a cooling trend. Are you suggesting that the warming has caused a cooling? C’mon, give me something specific. Or are you stuck on the fact that the sun controls the temperatures and humans have nothing to do with it. We can’t cause it to increase or decrease.

    p.s. George Bush is a liberal. He might as well join the Democrat party.

    Here’s some information for you.

    http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/6727/?ck=1

  42. Mike says:

    Otis, you’re an idiot if you think cold winters and cold summers are proof AGAINST global warming. They’re arguments FOR global warming. Just because the term has “Warming” in it, idiots think that it must mean that everything will get real hot out. Let me explain it to you Otis. Global Warming melts the polar ice caps, causing changes in ocean current temperatures and flow patterns, thus expanding the colder north climates into ours.

    Watch the movie “The Day After Tomorrow”. It’s your typical extreme disaster movie, but the science explaining global warming is spot on.

  43. Otis says:

    Okay, I’ve heard it all. Global warming has caused the cold winters and the cooler than normal summers. Not true. There is no rational thinking to that movie. What happened in it is not possible. You really ought to educate yourself instead of letting hollywood do it for you. You’ve just moved from the ignorant category to flat out stupid.

  44. Zig says:

    Otis–Hey, what’s up with the personl attacks, moron? This is suppose to be a civil discussion. I can’t give any specific facts or site any sources, b/c I believe the experts. Otis, who took a shit in your soup? Did you totally flunk science at your fluky LIBERAL ARTS school? In other words, for the scientifically challenged, mental midgets, “I don’t second guess science…” I already gave you one example, melting polar ice caps. How about rising water levels. How about the poplarbears not swimming in the waters, b/c they are to warm. I have no idea why you don’t believe in this scientifically proven theory. The only reason I can think of is that you are a conspiracy theory NUT! No, Otis, no one is after you.

  45. Zig says:

    Otis, Mike’s theories make sense. Do you hae any scientific background?

    And Glenn Beck is not really a reliable an unbiased source. He is a Blowhard Rush wannabe!

    George Bush is the savior of your party.

  46. Otis says:

    Zig, Mike’s theories are just that…theories. And I think he attends Hollywood University. Clearly he gets all of his information from greedy hypocrits like Al Gore and fantasy films.
    There has not been anything that has happened that either proves the existence of significant global warming (right now, the going rate is <1 degree C. That figure has been called into question by hundreds of scientists.)

    Here’s a link to a website where thousands of scientist have publicly disagreed with the warming lies put out by the United Nations. The fact that the U.N. is funding the warming alarmist scientist should raise a few red flags.

    http://www.petitionproject.org/

    The other question to ask is so what if it’s warming? A few extra days of Spring sound nice. Besides, there’s nothing we can do about it. The earth has been warming and cooling since time began. Humans cannot control the temperature of the earth. It was warmer during the middle ages that it is now, and they made it. It was colder during the seventeenth, eighteenth and nineteenth century. Right now it’s warming on Mars and Venus..is that because of humans too?

    p.s. water levels are not rising, polar bears are swimming fine in their water, and the antarctic ice shelf is EXPANDING. Do you really think a polar bear is going to flip out if the water temp goes up a half degree?

  47. Mike says:

    Otis, the polar ice caps are melting. There’s no denying that and to do so is just stubborn and foolish. I believe my post earlier stated while that the movie “The Day After Tomorrow” is extreme, THE SCIENCE IS CORRECT. Maybe you missed that part, but that happens when you have your head up your ass. You’re the guy that told people the world was flat, and in no way would you ever go back on that. That’s the problem with Republicans, they’ll never admit when they’re wrong. Global warming could slap you in the face and you’d still say it doesn’t exit. Don’t be afraid to admit when you’re wrong Otis, it happens to conservatives on a daily basis. Well hell, it happens to all of us. It’s just that some of us can admit it. You’re the equivalent of a four year old child arguing with his mommy, with nothing to say but “Nuh UH!”

  48. Otis says:

    Sorry it took so long to respond. I had a group of my liberal friends over for dinner tonight and we were laughing at your “science” connection to the Day After Tomorrow. You are the first person they’ve ever heard of that actually believes that stuff could happen. So are you a 5th year senior at Hollywood University?

    Sorry man. I’m apt to believe the scientists that do their work to reveal truth. Not the greedy ones that tell the U.N. what they want to hear so they can get more funding. Your list of scientists continues to shrink while mine continues to grow…just like the antarctic ice cap. But that’s probably because of global warming.

  49. Otis says:

    For those of you that have been fooled by the Global Warming theories, here’s a speech from John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel. It may take 15 minutes to read through it, but it really lays out the a different side of this terrible lie Al Gore has been telling.

    http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/19842304.html

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